INTEL CPUs *OC Benchmark & Discussion*

[Yongkit]

The 13600k actually outperforms the 12700f

they are fairly close in single core performance, nevertheless coming to 12700f multi P-core (8 cores) performance 13600k still unable to match 12700f:

 

[Koenig168]

HWU really liked the13600K. I think matching this with DDR4 and a Z690 or B660 MB is the way to go for a mid-tier build. Only downside is the power consumption.

 

[SEvsNK]

they are fairly close in single core performance, nevertheless coming to 12700f multi P-core (8 cores) performance 13600k still unable to match 12700f:

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Saw this on a website, duno how accurate are these though

 

[Yongkit]

Saw this on a website, duno how accurate are these though

we just need to take note of the "Disclaimer note" in the test and understanding all the benchmark limitation of core utilization unless we all have both system side by side otherwise per system user experience with hundred(s) of components combination (mobo/cooler/ram/storage/gpu) I doubt someone can guarantee every single 13600k can overturn the 12700f

 

[ragnarok95]

So the way to go now is 12700f w/ b660 or 13600k w/ z690?. Both on ddr4.

13600K and Z690.

 

[Phen8210]

we just need to take note of the "Disclaimer note" in the test and understanding all the benchmark limitation of core utilization unless we all have both system side by side otherwise per system user experience with hundred(s) of components combination (mobo/cooler/ram/storage/gpu) I doubt someone can guarantee every single 13600k can overturn the 12700f

Agreed.

Besides, OCing is heavily reliant on the silicon lottery. Also, surely there are games that benefit from 8 real cores compared to 6 real cores. Furthermore, DDR4 vs DDR5 performance will differ as well.

So yeah, not that straightforward.

 

[AlwaysLurking]

13600kf same price as 12700f. What a weird choice. u wait for 13 gen come out then buy the worse part

z690 msi a pro not in stock need to go for z790 boards.. so decided to stick with original choice.

 

[Hailgod]

they are fairly close in single core performance, nevertheless coming to 12700f multi P-core (8 cores) performance 13600k still unable to match 12700f:

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12700f is 4.9ghz. these are BCLK overclocked results.
iirc on GN video, there isnt a single result that the 13600k didnt at least match 12700k.

 

[ragnarok95]

Will you guys spend S$150-200 more to get a Z790 over the Z690

 

[elmariachi]

Saw this on a website, duno how accurate are these though

That looks like a leaked internal document by Intel to beta testers/board manufacturers.

Will you guys spend S$150-200 more to get a Z790 over the Z690

Nope. If you can get Z690 for cheaper, I don't see why you would go Z790. Z790 is worth going if you are:

1) Memory OC XOC where you can achieve 7600Mhz-8000Mhz. This is where Z790 greatly improves over Z690. A Dies Hynix also much easier to clock on 13th Gen.

2) CPU OC where you want to have the added features of OCTVB where there is slightly more granular control on Z790.

Past the above, and more USB ports on Z790, I think Z690 is good enough for most users and you can save quite a fair bit. Z790 is a straight dead end and it's not worth when you are on Z690 already or you can save quite a bit on Z690.

 

[stanlawj]

The total cost of ownership (TCO) should be factored in, especially the cooling costs and power consumption costs, together with Intel's practice of binning higher silicon quality for top CPUs, and the top 3 CPUs in each gen are all GPU-limited at 4K ultra settings.

If running 24hours or frequent gaming, it is possible 13900k + DDR5 + Z790 with PL1 limited to 125W under air cooling will save electricity + maintenance costs over 5 years sufficiently to be comparable with 13600k + DDR4 + Z690 + liquid cooling + overclocked PL1 unlimited. Der8auer already shown a viable 90W eco mode for 13900k that matches 12900k.

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs compared to simple air cooling. Trying to overclock 13600k with AIO cooling makes it not worth it, given that AIOs will eventually dry out or fail. Cost of replacing AIO failure is enough to bump up the price to the next CPU upgrade.

 

[Phen8210]

The total cost of ownership (TCO) should be factored in, especially the cooling costs and power consumption costs, together with Intel's practice of binning higher silicon quality for top CPUs, and the top 3 CPUs in each gen are all GPU-limited at 4K ultra settings.

If running 24hours or frequent gaming, it is possible 13900k + DDR5 + Z790 with PL1 limited to 125W under air cooling will save electricity + maintenance costs over 5 years sufficiently to be comparable with 13600k + DDR4 + Z690 + liquid cooling overclocked PL1 unlimited. Der8auer already shown a viable 90W eco mode for 13900k that matches 12900k.

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs compared to simple air cooling. Trying to overclock 13600k with AIO cooling makes it not worth it, given that AIOs will eventually dry out or fail. Cost of replacing AIO failure is enough to bump up the price to the next CPU upgrade.

Luckily the government didn't implement COE for owning a computer. Imagine they do it with a power consumption tier

 

[Hailgod]

The total cost of ownership (TCO) should be factored in, especially the cooling costs and power consumption costs, together with Intel's practice of binning higher silicon quality for top CPUs, and the top 3 CPUs in each gen are all GPU-limited at 4K ultra settings.

If running 24hours or frequent gaming, it is possible 13900k + DDR5 + Z790 with PL1 limited to 125W under air cooling will save electricity + maintenance costs over 5 years sufficiently to be comparable with 13600k + DDR4 + Z690 + liquid cooling + overclocked PL1 unlimited. Der8auer already shown a viable 90W eco mode for 13900k that matches 12900k.

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs compared to simple air cooling. Trying to overclock 13600k with AIO cooling makes it not worth it, given that AIOs will eventually dry out or fail. Cost of replacing AIO failure is enough to bump up the price to the next CPU upgrade.

power limits doesnt matter for gaming. production yes but gaming? most chips dont use above 100w.

 

[Op_Valkyrie]

Luckily the government didn't implement COE for owning a computer. Imagine they do it with a power consumption tier

Nb….. thanks for giving them this idea Ah…. 🫤

 

[elmariachi]

The total cost of ownership (TCO) should be factored in, especially the cooling costs and power consumption costs, together with Intel's practice of binning higher silicon quality for top CPUs, and the top 3 CPUs in each gen are all GPU-limited at 4K ultra settings.

If running 24hours or frequent gaming, it is possible 13900k + DDR5 + Z790 with PL1 limited to 125W under air cooling will save electricity + maintenance costs over 5 years sufficiently to be comparable with 13600k + DDR4 + Z690 + liquid cooling + overclocked PL1 unlimited. Der8auer already shown a viable 90W eco mode for 13900k that matches 12900k.

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs compared to simple air cooling. Trying to overclock 13600k with AIO cooling makes it not worth it, given that AIOs will eventually dry out or fail. Cost of replacing AIO failure is enough to bump up the price to the next CPU upgrade.

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs? I don't quite understand what you mean.

 

[stanlawj]

Watercooling has much higher recurring costs? I don't quite understand what you mean.

AIO last forever?
D5 pump lasts forever?
How about the labour cost of flushing & refilling the water loop? Air cooling lasts forever. Even the fan lasts forever because the ball bearing type can be relubricated easily with a drop of oil.

In my opinion, only those who make a living from the computer (video editor, pro gamer) should go for watercooling, when each CPU cycle makes more money. For hobbyist or home user who wastes money on gaming for entertainment but yet trying to go cheap on the CPU, it is not worth the effort.

 

[elmariachi]

AIO last forever?
D5 pump lasts forever?
How about the labour cost of flushing & refilling the water loop?

In my opinion, only those who make a living from the computer (video editor, pro gamer) should go for watercooling.

Fan lasts forever also lol?
Thermal paste lasts forever?
Those who go watercooling knows exactly what they want and majority are more than ok doing it themselves. It's an enthusiastic hobby.

Those who actually do watercooling are those that want a dead silent system or are pushing boundaries for overclock because CPUs especially today run remarkably hot. Especially more so in our weather.

The majority of pro gamers making a living do not actually run watercooled computers interestingly. Video editors to a large extent yes, because the load is infinitely more than gaming which uses extensive AVX instructions and consistently puts heavy loads especially on both CPU and GPU especially during compiling.

 

[stanlawj]

Fan lasts forever also lol?
Thermal paste lasts forever?
Those who go watercooling knows exactly what they want and majority are more than ok doing it themselves. It's an enthusiastic hobby.

Not targetting ppl like you... i'm talking to ppl like me who try to cheap out on the CPU yet try to overclock using AIOs/watercooling.

120W aircooling is already quite silent. The thermal pastes don't need to be redone... choose the correct one like Arctic Silver, not those super high performance ones that will dry out and cake hard.

 

[elmariachi]

Not targetting ppl like you... i'm talking to ppl like me who try to cheap out on the CPU but try to overclock using AIOs/watercooling.

13600k does not run that hot but a competent AIO is a must. You can probably run OCTVB which boosts high during gaming which helps and keep all core to stock levels to manage the heat. Most on AIO overclock this way. The way of static voltage overclock is long gone, you lose c-states and many features.

Those who get CPUs without K variant will have more challenge overclocking as your only way is to play with bclk. And that has its own set of stability issues past a certain bclk.

 

[matique]

Will you guys spend S$150-200 more to get a Z790 over the Z690

i'd echo elmariachi, Z790 only worth if you are going for top end OCed DDR5 or potentially wanting to run higher speeds on 4x16 or 2x32 sticks on a 2DPC board. Other than that it's not worth the cost...especially if shops start clearance prices for the z690 boards. Only Z790 I think would be truly worth would be the Apex since that is apparently fixed over the absolutely terrible 2021 Apex Z690.

For daily, just get a decent Z690 board imo.