INTEL CPUs *OC Benchmark & Discussion*

[matique]

AIO last forever?
D5 pump lasts forever?
How about the labour cost of flushing & refilling the water loop? Air cooling lasts forever. Even the fan lasts forever because the ball bearing type can be relubricated easily with a drop of oil.

In my opinion, only those who make a living from the computer (video editor, pro gamer) should go for watercooling, when each CPU cycle makes more money. For hobbyist or home user who wastes money on gaming for entertainment but yet trying to go cheap on the CPU, it is not worth the effort.

idk leh most people I met who custom WCed their PC was quite happy with the result. Some go for thermals, some go for aesthetics, some go for less noise. Whether it's a waste of money or not depends on the individual and their disposable income. There are far more hobbies that is much more expensive than PCs & WC, even at today's pricing climate. To each their own.

 

[Phen8210]

AIO last forever?
D5 pump lasts forever?
How about the labour cost of flushing & refilling the water loop? Air cooling lasts forever. Even the fan lasts forever because the ball bearing type can be relubricated easily with a drop of oil.

In my opinion, only those who make a living from the computer (video editor, pro gamer) should go for watercooling, when each CPU cycle makes more money. For hobbyist or home user who wastes money on gaming for entertainment but yet trying to go cheap on the CPU, it is not worth the effort.

Yeap, it's well-known that air cooling is more robust than water cooling.

Also, the issues that arise with water cooling are more complicated than air cooling. For professionals working in a fast-paced environment with tight deadlines, downtime and data loss could be catastrophic, resulting in legal actions.

Imagine working as a software engineer in carousell. While trying to resolve outstanding vulnerabilities, the custom loop broke down and potentially caused damage to other components, resulting in delays to the fix and then this happened.
https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/c...counts-allegedly-sold-dark-web-hacking-forums
Anyone can afford the components, but can they afford the consequences? That depends on what they are using it for.

 

[stanlawj]

Another point that is not considered by most is double-precision math computation.

1st gen 8 P-cores Alder Lake with AVX512 will smoke all 8-cores Raptor Lakes in double precision computation work: approx score of 33k vs 10k in 3D particle v2.1 AVX benchmark.

For comparison with AMD, the 16-core 7950X scores 69k.

So it brings back my point... the E-cores are junk, meant to pad Cinebench scores to look impressive, but not for serious work.

 

[Hailgod]

Another point that is not considered by most is double-precision math computation.

1st gen 8 P-cores Alder Lake with AVX512 will smoke all 8-cores Raptor Lakes in double precision computation work: approx score of 33k vs 10k in 3D particle v2.1 AVX benchmark.

For comparison with AMD, the 16-core 7950X scores 69k.

So it brings back my point... the E-cores are junk, meant to pad Cinebench scores to look impressive, but not for serious work.

nobody cared about avx 512 for years. Nobody cares about it now.

 

[neobear224]

i5 13600k on an aftermarket air cooler, advisable?

 

[Outramkia]

I've read that gigabyte ddr4 support on their z690 boards are a bit flaky. Not sure if there's any local gigabyte z690 ddr4 users here, I'd appreciate if you could share your experience. And does all z690 sold locally here support 13th series right out of the box?

 

[stanlawj]

i5 13600k on an aftermarket air cooler, advisable?

13600k with a ginormous air cooler that cost $$$ may still fall behind 13900k with simpler air cooler. (do make sure to use the contact frame to avoid bending the CPU)

https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/intel-core-i9-13900k-i7-13700-i5-13600k-test/2/
shows that 13900k@125W slightly outperforms 13700k@253W, 13600k@181W.
Beyond 125W, gains in performance per watt for 13900k starts to taper off significantly.

However, I don't know whether the single core TVB will pin it at 100degC earlier with a smaller air cooler thus cause throttling. The reviewer uses the gigantic Noctua NH-D15 for all intel benches.

 

[LiLAsN]

I can't say I'm using my CPU for productivity as at most, I probably will utilize 7-zip and media encoding & decoding. But am primarily focused on a CPU that gives the best performance per watt and/or dollar.

With the reviews out, knowing which platform to go to is a lot more difficult this year. The AMD Ryzen 7950X and the Intel Core i9-13900K are trading blows or are neck and neck in performance.
With this being the case, it's time to look at other factors that can help you decide and determine your next upgrade.

In terms of the platform, Z790 might be the last of the current socket compatibility. So the next CPUs will not be compatible with it. AM5 is a new platform for Ryzen and it should in theory, be compatible with future CPUs provided AMD keeps that promise. But the thing is, do you want to upgrade just the CPU? Isn't it harder to then sell it off especially if it's not paired with a mobo for the DIY 2nd hand market? I'll leave that for you guys to decide.

So now, it all comes down to efficiency just like with the RTX 4090 with a Power Limit at 70% and a memory overclock to 1056MHz which gives the same performance or even better thank the stock performance yet drawing a lot less power than stock making the GPU perform way cooler than what reviews show.

When it boils down to Ryzen 7950X and the i9-13900K, the 90W eco mode is fantastic. It boasts a minor loss in performance for a lot more power savings thus boosting efficiency.

Derbauer did great job testing and showing the results. This test shows which CPU ultimately is the efficiency king while still giving little to no loss in FPS especially against the competition.
And that crown goes to the Intel Core i9-13900K. It gives you so much more performance per dollar and watt at the same time. Even more than even the Ryzen 5800X3D which is showing its limitations with the RTX 4090 in another review which says that the CPU has reached its limit and should not be paired with anything higher than the RTX 4070 perhaps. So if you are planning to go with the Ryzen 3D V Cache chips, wait for the Ryzen 7000 X3D version coming out in about 6 months time.

And now, on to the results, with a 70W peak Power Draw Limit, this CPU is pushing a lot of performance while running very very cool.

FPS per Watt

Mutithreading Points per Watt

The amount of performance you get out of the CPU with those Power Limits are crazy impressive. It was enough to put in ahead of the Ryzen 7950X while still giving you higher FPS than the 7950X running at stock.

So ultimately, the less power draw (watts)
and the higher fps in games including the higher 1% lows
will result in less heat being pumped into your room and a lot more cost savings for your power bill when partnered with the also efficient RTX 4090 with less heat with the Power Limit too.

So this is why the i9-13900K is my go-to CPU this generation vs the Ryzen 7950X.

When it comes to motherboards, I am sticking to Asus to prevent installing more bloatware on my PC for RGB controls and so on. I don't even have Armoury Crate installed. I just use the standalone Asus Aura software to control my Mobo, RAM, Graphics Card, PSU and Phanteks Evolv X case LED lighting all through that one app.

So due to needing an extra HDMI 2.1 port for audio straight to the AVR, and the accumulation of NVMe drives over the years, I have a lot of NVMes that I wish to fit into my PC. The 2 choices of boards that fit my use-case are the Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Extreme and the ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI. Ultimately, I went with the Maximus Extreme due to the better positioning of the second PCIe port. With the GPUs taking up a massive 3.5 slots, my current GPU is blocking my second high bandwidth PCIe slot where I'm using my m.2 PCIe Gen 4 adapter to extend my m.2 storage. So I would recommend those who wants to use 6 or more m.2 SSDs that you've accumulated over the years to get the Maximus Extreme model for expanded storage via a PCIe adapter. Else, I would highly recommend getting the ROG Strix Z90-E Gaming WiFi board for maximum featureset for a lot less too. Like almost $750 less!

Now on to RAM, look for a RAM that has high enough MT/s while having extremely tight CAS timings. I am now going back to Kingston as they give the best value. I am getting the same 6400MHz RAM with extremely low and tight timings of 32-39-39-80 for the CL32 Kingston Fury Renegade RAM with local warranty. All thanks to the RAM equipped with Hynix m-die chips.
This in comparison to the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz CL32 which has a timing of 32-39-39-102. So an overall poorer timing while costing a lot more than the Kingston Fury Renegade RAM.

From my experience, my current DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z RGB RAM couldn't even run at its rated speeds letalone me trying to overclock the RAM further while my previous Kingston Fury RAM didn't have any issues.
So these are all the contributing factors as to why I'll be switching and using the Kingston Fury Renegade 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 2 x 16GB RAM kit which should be overclockable to 7000MHz CL32 c32-40-41-28 at 1.51v as someone else has done on theirs on a Z690 mobo paired with an i9-12900KS

It's disappointing to see all 3 Ryzen 7950X, i9-13900K and the RTX 4090 running at overclocking speeds at stock throwing efficiency out the window when you can see how much cost savings can be obtained while still having the performance that beats its competition this generation. Especially in this inflation climate. Hope this build helps someone out there looking for the best PC build in terms of Efficiency currently.


I highly recommend everyone who cares about framerate in their games and are on the fence between the Ryzen 7950X and i9-13900K to watch Derbauer's video here especially on the tuning for efficiency part.

 

[elmariachi]

I can't say I'm using my CPU for productivity as at most, I probably will utilize 7-zip and media encoding & decoding. But am primarily focused on a CPU that gives the best performance per watt and/or dollar.

With the reviews out, knowing which platform to go to is a lot more difficult this year. The AMD Ryzen 7950X and the Intel Core i9-13900K are trading blows or are neck and neck in performance.
With this being the case, it's time to look at other factors that can help you decide and determine your next upgrade.

In terms of the platform, Z790 might be the last of the current socket compatibility. So the next CPUs will not be compatible with it. AM5 is a new platform for Ryzen and it should in theory, be compatible with future CPUs provided AMD keeps that promise. But the thing is, do you want to upgrade just the CPU? Isn't it harder to then sell it off especially if it's not paired with a mobo for the DIY 2nd hand market? I'll leave that for you guys to decide.

So now, it all comes down to efficiency just like with the RTX 4090 with a Power Limit at 70% and a memory overclock to 1056MHz which gives the same performance or even better thank the stock performance yet drawing a lot less power than stock making the GPU perform way cooler than what reviews show.

When it boils down to Ryzen 7950X and the i9-13900K, the 90W eco mode is fantastic. It boasts a minor loss in performance for a lot more power savings thus boosting efficiency.

Derbauer did great job testing and showing the results. This test shows which CPU ultimately is the efficiency king while still giving little to no loss in FPS especially against the competition.
And that crown goes to the Intel Core i9-13900K. It gives you so much more performance per dollar and watt at the same time. Even more than even the Ryzen 5800X3D which is showing its limitations with the RTX 4090 in another review which says that the CPU has reached its limit and should not be paired with anything higher than the RTX 4070 perhaps. So if you are planning to go with the Ryzen 3D V Cache chips, wait till the Ryzen 7000 X3D version coming out in about 6 months time.

And now, on to the results, with a 70W peak Power Draw Limit, this CPU is pushing a lot of performance while running very very cool.

FPS per Watt

Mutithreading Points per Watt

The amount of performance you get out of the CPU with those Power Limits are crazy impressive. It was enough to put in ahead of the Ryzen 7950X while still giving you higher FPS than the 7950X running at stock.

So ultimately, the less power draw (watts)
and the higher fps in games including the higher 1% lows
will result in less heat being pumped into your room and a lot more cost savings for your power bill when partnered with the also efficient RTX 4090 with less heat with the Power Limit too.

So this is why the i9-13900K is my go-to CPU this generation vs the Ryzen 7950X.

When it comes to motherboards, I am sticking to Asus to prevent installing more bloatware on my PC for RGB controls and so on. I don't even have Armoury Crate installed. I just use the standalone Asus Aura software to control my Mobo, RAM, Graphics Card, PSU and Phanteks Evolv X case LED lighting all through that one app.

So due to needing an extra HDMI 2.1 port for audio straight to the AVR, and the accumulation of NVMe drives over the years, I have a lot of NVMes that I wish to fit into my PC. The 2 choices of boards that fit my use-case are the Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Extreme and the ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI. Ultimately, I went with the Maximus Extreme due to the better positioning of the second PCIe port. With the GPUs taking up a massive 3.5 slots, my current GPU is blocking my second high bandwidth PCIe slot where I'm using my m.2 PCIe Gen 4 adapter to extend my m.2 storage. So I would recommend those who wants to use 6 or more m.2 SSDs that you've accumulated over the years to get the Maximus Extreme model for expanded storage via a PCIe adapter. Else, I would highly recommend getting the ROG Strix Z90-E Gaming WiFi board for maximum featureset for a lot less too. Like almost $750 less!

Now on to RAM, look for a RAM that has high enough MT/s while having extremely tight CAS timings. I am now going back to Kingston as they give the best value. I am getting the same 6400MHz RAM with extremely low and tight timings of 32-39-39-84 for the CL32 Kingston Fury Renegade RAM with local warranty. All thanks to the RAM equipped with Hynix m-die chips.
This in comparison to the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz CL32 which has a timing of 32-39-39-102. So an overall poorer timing while costing a lot more than the Kingston Fury Renegade RAM.

From my experience, my current DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z RGB RAM couldn't even run at its rated speeds letalone me trying to overclock the RAM further while my previous Kingston Fury RAM didn't have any issues.
So these are all the contributing factors as to why I'll be switching and using the Kingston Fury Renegade 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 2 x 16GB RAM kit which should be overclockable to 7000MHz CL32 c32-40-41-28 at 1.51v as someone else has done on theirs on a Z690 mobo paired with an i9-12900KS

It's disappointing to see all 3 Ryzen 7950X, i9-13900K and the RTX 4090 running at overclocking speeds at stock throwing efficiency out the window when you can see how much cost savings can be obtained while still having the performance that beats its competition this generation. Especially in this inflation climate. Hope this build helps someone out there looking for the best PC build in terms of Efficiency currently.

You might want to check out Hynix A-Dies. G.skill 6600C34 kits with the GX2 suffix are now equipped with that. You'll probably easily hit 7600C34 at 1.5V. The Kingston Fury Renegade ram is the best M Die kit tested so far but I saw locally only the RGB version is available.

 

[zacky1223]

I can't say I'm using my CPU for productivity as at most, I probably will utilize 7-zip and media encoding & decoding. But am primarily focused on a CPU that gives the best performance per watt and/or dollar.

With the reviews out, knowing which platform to go to is a lot more difficult this year. The AMD Ryzen 7950X and the Intel Core i9-13900K are trading blows or are neck and neck in performance.
With this being the case, it's time to look at other factors that can help you decide and determine your next upgrade.

In terms of the platform, Z790 might be the last of the current socket compatibility. So the next CPUs will not be compatible with it. AM5 is a new platform for Ryzen and it should in theory, be compatible with future CPUs provided AMD keeps that promise. But the thing is, do you want to upgrade just the CPU? Isn't it harder to then sell it off especially if it's not paired with a mobo for the DIY 2nd hand market? I'll leave that for you guys to decide.

So now, it all comes down to efficiency just like with the RTX 4090 with a Power Limit at 70% and a memory overclock to 1056MHz which gives the same performance or even better thank the stock performance yet drawing a lot less power than stock making the GPU perform way cooler than what reviews show.

When it boils down to Ryzen 7950X and the i9-13900K, the 90W eco mode is fantastic. It boasts a minor loss in performance for a lot more power savings thus boosting efficiency.

Derbauer did great job testing and showing the results. This test shows which CPU ultimately is the efficiency king while still giving little to no loss in FPS especially against the competition.
And that crown goes to the Intel Core i9-13900K. It gives you so much more performance per dollar and watt at the same time. Even more than even the Ryzen 5800X3D which is showing its limitations with the RTX 4090 in another review which says that the CPU has reached its limit and should not be paired with anything higher than the RTX 4070 perhaps. So if you are planning to go with the Ryzen 3D V Cache chips, wait till the Ryzen 7000 X3D version coming out in about 6 months time.

And now, on to the results, with a 70W peak Power Draw Limit, this CPU is pushing a lot of performance while running very very cool.

FPS per Watt

Mutithreading Points per Watt

The amount of performance you get out of the CPU with those Power Limits are crazy impressive. It was enough to put in ahead of the Ryzen 7950X while still giving you higher FPS than the 7950X running at stock.

So ultimately, the less power draw (watts)
and the higher fps in games including the higher 1% lows
will result in less heat being pumped into your room and a lot more cost savings for your power bill when partnered with the also efficient RTX 4090 with less heat with the Power Limit too.

So this is why the i9-13900K is my go-to CPU this generation vs the Ryzen 7950X.

When it comes to motherboards, I am sticking to Asus to prevent installing more bloatware on my PC for RGB controls and so on. I don't even have Armoury Crate installed. I just use the standalone Asus Aura software to control my Mobo, RAM, Graphics Card, PSU and Phanteks Evolv X case LED lighting all through that one app.

So due to needing an extra HDMI 2.1 port for audio straight to the AVR, and the accumulation of NVMe drives over the years, I have a lot of NVMes that I wish to fit into my PC. The 2 choices of boards that fit my use-case are the Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Extreme and the ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI. Ultimately, I went with the Maximus Extreme due to the better positioning of the second PCIe port. With the GPUs taking up a massive 3.5 slots, my current GPU is blocking my second high bandwidth PCIe slot where I'm using my m.2 PCIe Gen 4 adapter to extend my m.2 storage. So I would recommend those who wants to use 6 or more m.2 SSDs that you've accumulated over the years to get the Maximus Extreme model for expanded storage via a PCIe adapter. Else, I would highly recommend getting the ROG Strix Z90-E Gaming WiFi board for maximum featureset for a lot less too. Like almost $750 less!

Now on to RAM, look for a RAM that has high enough MT/s while having extremely tight CAS timings. I am now going back to Kingston as they give the best value. I am getting the same 6400MHz RAM with extremely low and tight timings of 32-39-39-84 for the CL32 Kingston Fury Renegade RAM with local warranty. All thanks to the RAM equipped with Hynix m-die chips.
This in comparison to the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz CL32 which has a timing of 32-39-39-102. So an overall poorer timing while costing a lot more than the Kingston Fury Renegade RAM.

From my experience, my current DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z RGB RAM couldn't even run at its rated speeds letalone me trying to overclock the RAM further while my previous Kingston Fury RAM didn't have any issues.
So these are all the contributing factors as to why I'll be switching and using the Kingston Fury Renegade 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 2 x 16GB RAM kit which should be overclockable to 7000MHz CL32 c32-40-41-28 at 1.51v as someone else has done on theirs on a Z690 mobo paired with an i9-12900KS

It's disappointing to see all 3 Ryzen 7950X, i9-13900K and the RTX 4090 running at overclocking speeds at stock throwing efficiency out the window when you can see how much cost savings can be obtained while still having the performance that beats its competition this generation. Especially in this inflation climate. Hope this build helps someone out there looking for the best PC build in terms of Efficiency currently.

Nice share bro. I think the main stream media outlets don't talk about efficiency much. I agree with you that Intel is the king this gen.

If those getting 13900k remember to limit the power draw. The default config will draw the maximum power and aio can't handle it.

In terms of benchmark numbers don't take it too hard too. Might not see the difference in real world.

Both are very powerful chip and can last many years to come.

 

[Griggs]

From my experience, my current DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z RGB RAM couldn't even run at its rated speeds letalone me trying to overclock the RAM further while my previous Kingston Fury RAM didn't have any issues.

Couldn't you claim warranty if the ram wasn't running on the rated speed? My crucial vengeance lpx 3200mhz also couldn't run at its rated oc speed and I got it replaced at convergent.

 

[leecming]

When limiting power on Intel eg 65W, are they talking about PL1 or PL2 or both?

 

[poooooo]

When limiting power on Intel eg 65W, are they talking about PL1 or PL2 or both?

Manually tune your cpu, PL1 and PL2 is different thing from "limiting power", it actually draw more power, for example 12700 stock is rated 65w, PL1 and PL2 will increase the power draw for boost.

 

[stanlawj]

When limiting power on Intel eg 65W, are they talking about PL1 or PL2 or both?

If you talking about limiting power to 65W, then set PL1 (long term power limit) = 65W.
PL2 (short term boost limit) is higher, depends on "inertial heat mass" of your cooler setup. I manually tune PL2 and the time to highest possible for at least 10 sec maxing out at 99 deg C. However you can only do all this with K-series CPU.

If talking about Intel reporting CPU TDP as 65W, that's just a marketing segmentation of the CPU. 65W TDP is cheaper class than 125W TDP CPU (both price and performance). I think this matters for non-K series CPU, because they are locked at PL1 = TDP.

 

[TanKianW]

I think most will not even warm that E-cores up (much) which comes with the CPU. Unless you run multiple OSes, game emulators (Eg. Yuzu and the new PS5 emulators) or run multiple virtual machines, containers and some form of orchestration applications. I will think the CPUs will be pretty overkill for the years to come for many gentlemen here if only for gaming and light media work.

What I recommend? Go pick up some software skills to warm that stove up, build a "homelab" for learning if you could, or even run multiple software/servers to improve your quality of life. As hardware gets ever more powerful, software has gotten even much better (and user friendly with GUI) as compared to the past (via CLi).

PC hardware can do so much more than just gaming. Learn AI/ML, networking applications, setup DIY IaaS services, edge appliances, multiple VMs, servers, POC projects, security appliances..etc. In this era with so many YT tutorials online, it is not hard to learn the knowledge of what is powering the world.​

 

[Phen8210]

I think most will not even warm that E-cores up (much) which comes with the CPU. Unless you run multiple OSes, game emulators (Eg. Yuzu and the new PS5 emulators) or run multiple virtual machines, containers and some form of orchestration applications. I will think the CPUs will be pretty overkill for the years to come for many gentlemen here if only for gaming and light media work.

What I recommend? Go pick up some software skills to warm that stove up, build a "homelab" for learning if you could, or even run multiple software/servers to improve your quality of life. As hardware gets ever more powerful, software has gotten even much better (and user friendly with GUI) as compared to the past (via CLi).

PC hardware can do so much more than just gaming. Learn AI/ML, networking applications, setup DIY IaaS services, edge appliances, multiple VMs, servers, POC projects, security appliances..etc. In this era with so many YT tutorials online, it is not hard to learn the knowledge of what is powering the world.​

True true, these days the weather is getting cold. Better warm up that stove.

 

[Earthling]

hi guys, when is a good time to buy gen 12 mobo + cpu? next month or dec? Thinking to upgrade part of my old rig. Wondering if retailers will clear gen 12 at small discount or will they just be OOS

 

[Koenig168]

BF is next month so that will be a good time to pick up the MB. As for the CPU, you might want to consider 13th gen instead.

 

[radioshack]

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Is Intel i5-13600k the equivalent of AMD 7600X?

 

[NightRaven49]

is Intel® Core™ i5-13600K Processor the equivalent of AMD 7600X?​

Is Intel i5-13600k the equivalent of AMD 7600X?

in gaming, yes. in productivity, the 13600k crushes the 7600x, though it pulls more power.