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Is 8.5 to 9k too much for late 40s?
No running goals, but for keeping healthy, don't look at distance. Look at the duration spend on the intended zone intensity.

RPE easy, a couple of days 1 hour or more, and one day 30 minuites for recovery. Longer duration and more frequent at zone 2 at rpe easy promotes mitochondria fitness and health. Extremely protective against metabolic disease. Best is can do it for every filler days. But make sure that 1 hour is not a Long run, extremely catabolic for non runners.
once a week RPE hard, not target for performance, just up to 20 minute of hard intensity. Recovery time not inclusive and to be adjusted according how well you recover for the next solid interval. This mitigate the decline of Vo2max from aging.
 
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have a question

Been running 10km per day for 2 days and think I can continue running it for the whole year. Currently about 52-53mins

But all go to my high Aerobic and I think Garmin watch stated recovery to be >35 hrs .

I am thinking whether to follow Garmin and do some low Aerobic and Anaerobic and rest for >35 hrs. Or should I continue to run 10km everyday and see what happens
 

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have a question

Been running 10km per day for 2 days and think I can continue running it for the whole year. Currently about 52-53mins

But all go to my high Aerobic and I think Garmin watch stated recovery to be >35 hrs .

I am thinking whether to follow Garmin and do some low Aerobic and Anaerobic and rest for >35 hrs. Or should I continue to run 10km everyday and see what happens

For most of the general population, your garmin is right. Take 1 rest day best if wanna improve. But if just running for fun and hobby and no niggles, can do daily no issue. Or basically 6 of these sessions per week.

Or it could be Thur night, Sat morning. 24+12 = 36h rest. Then Sunday morning and then monday night, another 36h rest. Or you can schedule it to be 48hrs.
Or it could even be a 8-9 days week kinda schedule, also can.
Either that or after 4-6 weeks, schedule 1 week with much lower mileage.
 

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have a question

Been running 10km per day for 2 days and think I can continue running it for the whole year. Currently about 52-53mins

But all go to my high Aerobic and I think Garmin watch stated recovery to be >35 hrs .

I am thinking whether to follow Garmin and do some low Aerobic and Anaerobic and rest for >35 hrs. Or should I continue to run 10km everyday and see what happens
if it's all in zone4-5 heart rate, it's not good to run that everyday. May breakdown or injured as u continue.

Given that you have stamina, some people say train zone 2-3 and run 80% of weekly run in zone 2.
 

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Is 8.5 to 9k too much for late 40s?

A lot of variables at play like the intensity, whether or not you do other things as well for strengthening or whether or not you suddenly just hoot in 1 shot in a HM distance race without even running close to that distance (eg like your long runs are 9-10k) and gun it with intensity ie you are racing to get a good time or PB attempt, but i generally dont think so lah...... that is basically within 70 km per week.

Any issues is usually due to training errors.

For science, it is not until FM or middle distance triathlon distances that higher death rate or things like various arthritis start to show. Like what the semi elite/pros would hit.
 
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I am of the opinion that once have soft plaque, it just time bomb. There are just as many people of having rupture plaques by just plainly doing nothing. Maybe strenuous exercise accelerateto it, but shying away exercise also will heighten risk as consistent exercise tends to lead to stable plaques the calcified type.

Yeah if talking about stability issues, soft type is usually more dangerous.
"Unfortunately" need the (most) expensive CT angiography test which can detect both soft and calcified plague.
The calcium scan (much cheaper) cannot, and definitely not those treadmill tests.

But then even when detected with soft plague, there is only so much healthcare / meds can do.....the tests just lets you know it and the specialist decides or not to medically intervene with meds, stents or even bypass.

Best is to have a good diet in the first place and dose with appropriate levels of exercise/physical activiity for the ultra long haul. Coz we also have to remember, cardiac testing only covers 1 aspect. But appropriate exercise and diet affects risk levels of all other lifestyle type diseases as well.

Esp if one can do good volume/duration and actually burn more fats (esp visceral type - which is damn difficult to burn) hence reducing weight which is one big risk factor......and as we'd all know, it's damn difficult and only possible with kee siao exercising fellas like some of us who can gun high vols of Z1/Z2, talking about 10-15hrs per week easy easy before it makes a notable impact. instead of just using glcogen/water loss and then replenishing it.
And there is also info that really unfit fellas can barely burn fats even in high Z1/Z2 levels, they generally just use glycogen even at that intensity. So in a way, some morbidly obese fellas really just stay obese....their fats like maciam stuck in them forever one cannot be burnt off, there is literally no way out unless they do something really super duper extreme.
 
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And there is also info that really unfit fellas can barely burn fats even in high Z1/Z2 levels, they generally just use glycogen even at that intensity. So in a way, some morbidly obese fellas really just stay obese....their fats like maciam stuck in them forever one cannot be burnt off, there is literally no way out unless they do something really super duper extreme.
For this part, I think it boils down to poor mitochondria health, which only long duration and frequent Z2 maybe z3 intensity can help. Not just obese, skinny fat too. As long they are fat storing for most of the time, means their mitochondria are under work, and hence under develop and hence muscle are insulin resistance. They will sooner or already get all the metabolic syndrome like diabetes or pre diabetic. That is also a reason all those scary glucose spike, insulin spike that diet health guru warn people about doesn't applies to endurance athletes. Glucose spike are in fact a purposeful event for runners. It's needed and welcome else we hit the wall. our mitochrondria are asking for more fuel to be converted. That's metabolic flexibility. Simi glucose, fats, are all welcome by the good healthy mitochondria cells but also the unwelcome protein if we don't fuel properly. LOL.

And if we train with a well thought off recovery, the mitochondria will also be efficient for burning lactate.
 

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Just completed a 6.3-km run along the Lake.

This time, I tweaked some HR zone settings on my Samsung Health app. My previous setting for Heart Rate Zone was based on Max HR (189bpm) all these while. I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve; based on resting HR of 60bpm. Zones was changed.

Previously under Max HR setting, Zone 5 was 170 to 188bpm, while Zone 4 was 151 to 169bpm.

After I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve, Zone 5 was 177 to 189bpm, and Zone 4 was 138bpm to 176bpm.


Just completed my evening run along the Lake. 6.3km in 56min, pace slowed to 8:59/km.

My avg heart rate dropped to now 162bpm, with Max 180. Maintained avg 140 Cadence.

This time round, I really slowed myself down. Previously, as you all know, my pace avg was 174, today is 162. Previous Max HR was close to 190. Today is 180.
 

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Just completed a 6.3-km run along the Lake.
This time, I tweaked some HR zone settings on my Samsung Health app. My previous setting for Heart Rate Zone was based on Max HR (189bpm) all these while. I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve; based on resting HR of 60bpm. Zones was changed.
Previously under Max HR setting, Zone 5 was 170 to 188bpm, while Zone 4 was 151 to 169bpm.
After I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve, Zone 5 was 177 to 189bpm, and Zone 4 was 138bpm to 176bpm.
Just completed my evening run along the Lake. 6.3km in 56min, pace slowed to 8:59/km.
My avg heart rate dropped to now 162bpm, with Max 180. Maintained avg 140 Cadence.
This time round, I really slowed myself down. Previously, as you all know, my pace avg was 174, today is 162. Previous Max HR was close to 190. Today is 180.
Each zone is how many percent of the total duration?
 

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Just completed a 6.3-km run along the Lake.

This time, I tweaked some HR zone settings on my Samsung Health app. My previous setting for Heart Rate Zone was based on Max HR (189bpm) all these while. I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve; based on resting HR of 60bpm. Zones was changed.

Previously under Max HR setting, Zone 5 was 170 to 188bpm, while Zone 4 was 151 to 169bpm.

After I changed it to Heart Rate Reserve, Zone 5 was 177 to 189bpm, and Zone 4 was 138bpm to 176bpm.


Just completed my evening run along the Lake. 6.3km in 56min, pace slowed to 8:59/km.

My avg heart rate dropped to now 162bpm, with Max 180. Maintained avg 140 Cadence.

This time round, I really slowed myself down. Previously, as you all know, my pace avg was 174, today is 162. Previous Max HR was close to 190. Today is 180.

Good job, keep the slower pace up. Get adapted to it with small changes along the way.
You will get faster.
 

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For this part, I think it boils down to poor mitochondria health, which only long duration and frequent Z2 maybe z3 intensity can help. Not just obese, skinny fat too. As long they are fat storing for most of the time, means their mitochondria are under work, and hence under develop and hence muscle are insulin resistance. They will sooner or already get all the metabolic syndrome like diabetes or pre diabetic. That is also a reason all those scary glucose spike, insulin spike that diet health guru warn people about doesn't applies to endurance athletes. Glucose spike are in fact a purposeful event for runners. It's needed and welcome else we hit the wall. our mitochrondria are asking for more fuel to be converted. That's metabolic flexibility. Simi glucose, fats, are all welcome by the good healthy mitochondria cells but also the unwelcome protein if we don't fuel properly. LOL.

And if we train with a well thought off recovery, the mitochondria will also be efficient for burning lactate.

Yes.....i believe the reason is around there. Not sure cant remember if i read that before but i faintly can remember along this line one.

Still can be fixed, but it the journey is extremely long. And for obese people esp, their mental resilience already not as strong as most of us here in the first place. Really uphill battle.

My wife was just like that slowly put on weight non stop.....just that the last episode nearly killed her in some ways and of coz got my help as well. Actually even now after slimming down significantly, she sometimes got some lazy lapses every now and then, even though she knows it is extremely difficult to slim down again so why even get fat in the first place.
 

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Good job, keep the slower pace up. Get adapted to it with small changes along the way.
You will get faster.
Thank you.. I'll make some fine adjustments.

I don't know if also got to do with the routes that I am running that causes the heart rate changes, I.e lots of twists and turns, aside the elevation changes.

Because, I see a lot people who run are along park connectors and usually straight line or some slight turns only.

The route that I am taking usually is Jurong Lake Gardens, lots of twist and turns. There is not a lot of elevation changes aside to the occasion climb to cross the bridges to Chinese and Japanese Garden island.

Both Japanese Garden Island and Chinese Garden Island has quite a few turns and is generally flat. Whereas, along the Lake, is quite a number of turns.
 
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Thank you.. I'll make some fine adjustments.

I don't know if also got to do with the routes that I am running that causes the heart rate changes, I.e lots of twists and turns, aside the elevation changes.

Because, I see a lot people who run are along park connectors and usually straight line or some slight turns only.

The route that I am taking usually is Jurong Lake Gardens, lots of twist and turns. There is not a lot of elevation changes aside to the occasion climb to cross the bridges to Chinese and Japanese Garden island.

Both Japanese Garden Island and Chinese Garden Island has quite a few turns and is generally flat. Whereas, along the Lake, is quite a number of turns.

If those turns are not very very tight type it should be fine. eg not pedestrian walkway turn 90 deg into the crossing type. If not it would mess with the GPS / pace reading.
 
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