M.2 NVMe storage Recommendation

[naked123]

Agree on your point and I accidentally regreted after I order....oh well.....just use until spoilt bah

just use it as a game drive

 

[Kegler]

just use it as a game drive

It was intended as storage for my VM.... building a new nas yet to decide unRAID or truenas scale..... plan for this nvme to store vm disk and snapshot to be store on harddisk vdev..... worse case should be slapping a new drive and rebuild the VM from snapshot

 

[limcc]

Why gamble when you can get one of the better performing PCIe Gen4 2TB for under S$120.

https://www.amazon.sg/gp/product/B08XY93JT3?th=1

 

[LiLAsN]

Why gamble when you can get one of the better performing PCIe Gen4 2TB for under S$120.

https://www.amazon.sg/gp/product/B08XY93JT3?th=1

Considering that it is using a Phison controller most famous for failing very early and randomly including me having that experience losing my entire 4TB data just like that, I would consider this M.2 SSD also a gamble.
Yes, you may have local warranty, but at the expense of losing your data in the process maybe even more than once if the replacement drive also fails in the future.

You want a generally safer option, go for Samsung or WD Black PCIe M.2 SSDs as they both use their own controllers.

From my own experience, none of my M.2 SSDs by Samsung has died yet compared to my short-lived Sabrent (which uses the Phison controller) that died in 9 months.

You can read from other people's experience including mine starting from this post onwards as we narrow down the culprit of what caused my error.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...d-reinstalling-windows.6803275/post-143652394

 

[zhanhuju]

It is not just controller.
There are only a few NAND flash manufacturers.
If you want a long lasting TBW SSD you would choose an SSD from the NAND manufacturer itself because they get to choose the higher quality NAND chips from their own production line.
Micron -> Crucial
SK Hynix -> Solidigm
Kioxia (Toshiba) -> Sandisk/Toshiba
Samsung -> Samsung
YMTC -> Zhitai
Western Digital -> Sandisk/Toshiba

For China SSDs, SSDs used to suck because they bought lower/unknown quality chips from the western companies so failure rates were high.
There is actually a SSD cartel of western companies holding the prices high
After YMTC started making NAND flash at cheap prices, bad news for western companies shareholders and executives good news for everyone else who just wanted cheap high capacities SSDs which is why SSD prices crash earlier last year and this year.

1) Zhitai - YMTC child company best NAND flash (If you are buying for a laptop do not get TiPlus 5000 it has a power design issue that cause it to crash when certain laptops go into low power mode)
Search 致钛旗舰店 on taobao

2) Longsys - Owns Lexar and Foresee - Buys wafers from YMTC and does its own chip testing and packaging
Search lexar雷克沙存储旗舰店 on taobao

3) Powerev - Asgard/Gloway - Buys chips from YMTC Asgard is the premium line, Gloway is the value line
Search 阿斯加特旗舰店 or gloway数码旗舰店 on taobao

The rest of china ssds have unknown quality chips therefore unknown reliability

 

[_DeS__]

Why gamble when you can get one of the better performing PCIe Gen4 2TB for under S$120.

https://www.amazon.sg/gp/product/B08XY93JT3?th=1

100% failure rate SSD.

 

[naked123]

It is not just controller.
There are only a few NAND flash manufacturers.
If you want a long lasting TBW SSD you would choose an SSD from the NAND manufacturer itself because they get to choose the higher quality NAND chips from their own production line.
Micron -> Crucial
SK Hynix -> Solidigm
Kioxia (Toshiba) -> Sandisk/Toshiba
Samsung -> Samsung
YMTC -> Zhitai
Western Digital -> Sandisk/Toshiba

For China SSDs, SSDs used to suck because they bought lower/unknown quality chips from the western companies so failure rates were high.
There is actually a SSD cartel of western companies holding the prices high
After YMTC started making NAND flash at cheap prices, bad news for western companies shareholders and executives good news for everyone else who just wanted cheap high capacities SSDs which is why SSD prices crash earlier last year and this year.

1) Zhitai - YMTC child company best NAND flash (If you are buying for a laptop do not get TiPlus 5000 it has a power design issue that cause it to crash when certain laptops go into low power mode)
Search 致钛旗舰店 on taobao

2) Longsys - Owns Lexar and Foresee - Buys wafers from YMTC and does its own chip testing and packaging
Search lexar雷克沙存储旗舰店 on taobao

3) Powerev - Asgard/Gloway - Buys chips from YMTC Asgard is the premium line, Gloway is the value line
Search 阿斯加特旗舰店 or gloway数码旗舰店 on taobao

The rest of china ssds have unknown quality chips therefore unknown reliability

klevv is under SK hynix

 

[limcc]

100% failure rate SSD.

I guess you are fortune teller, great for you.

Considering that it is using a Phison controller most famous for failing very early and randomly including me having that experience losing my entire 4TB data just like that, I would consider this M.2 SSD also a gamble.
Yes, you may have local warranty, but at the expense of losing your data in the process maybe even more than once if the replacement drive also fails in the future.

You want a generally safer option, go for Samsung or WD Black PCIe M.2 SSDs as they both use their own controllers.

From my own experience, none of my M.2 SSDs by Samsung has died yet compared to my short-lived Sabrent (which uses the Phison controller) that died in 9 months.

You can read from other people's experience including mine starting from this post onwards as we narrow down the culprit of what caused my error.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...d-reinstalling-windows.6803275/post-143652394

The vast majority of SSD models are base on Phison controller, I guess most of us are gambling?

I'm sharing lobang, ignore it if you don't like, I'm not here to argue about a hundred dollar item. enjoy.

 

[keigo2303]

hi, anyone knows is there's a SSD tool for Dynabook Boost AX5600?
To update it's firmware etc.

 

[Hafi]

I was "shocked" to see Samsung 990 Pro 2TB lelong for US$138 this morning. I went to check the price after I saw a Youtuber live stream recording just few hours prior and it was showing US$159 when he did a realtime check.

US$20 drop within that few hours... LoL

I am gunning for endurance and not speed so going for 970 Pro instead.

 

[Hafi]

It was intended as storage for my VM.... building a new nas yet to decide unRAID or truenas scale..... plan for this nvme to store vm disk and snapshot to be store on harddisk vdev..... worse case should be slapping a new drive and rebuild the VM from snapshot

You need endurance NAND which is supposed to be pricer, but if you like China SSD can try MoveSpeed with 1200TB TBW. One PC builder was doing a live stream for the brand yesterday you can go check it out.



disclaimer: I am not recommending this brand/ssd, just passing along information.

 

[Hafi]

Samsung 970 Pro? This model have discountinued for very now, the popular model will be 970 EVO Plus.
FYI current Samsung SSD price is quite cheap.
500GB is around $50 for Samsung 870 and 970 Series.

1TB wise is around $8X Samsung 870, 970 and 980 (Non pro) Series
Gen 4 NVME SSD the 980 pro 1TB is around $10X no point getting 500GB since you top
up a bit more can get 1TB.

980 Pro 2TB is around $17X, the 990 pro is abit ex than 980 pro.
To me if you want fast and reliable Samsung SSD is the way to go.
I doubt other brand can sell 1TB SSD under $100.

Take note some model and capacity can be difficulty to buy.

yes... discontinued 970Pro but old stocks (yr 2020) still available, can't go wrong with MLC NAND and 1200TB TBW endurance. Dun get mixed up with 970 EVO Plus, they are of different league.

I have no confidence in 980 Pro and 990 Pro cos of the past firmware issues but if 990 Pro (I would totally avoid the 980 Pro) price goes lower, I will probably pick up a stick or 2.

I am gunning for endurance and quality NAND for my 24/7 miniPC (PCIe gen 3), already have the 970 Pro 512GB as boot drive thinking of getting another 2 x 1TB next week if seller can gimme a good discount.

 

[NightRaven49]

For laptop SSD replacements, do we need to buy those SSDs with or without heatsink?

without. the heatsinks that are provided by manufacturers are usually thick ones for desktop pcs that have space, which laptops dont.

 

[naked123]

OIC thanks.

See looking around for Gen3 PCIe SSDs suitable replacements. Very confusing.
Maybe Samsung 970 EVO Plus? $81-82 Tradepac/Fuwell

make sure to get single sided ssds. nand flash, controller and dram all on 1 side.

ssd heatsink can get from shopee 1mm to 3mm max.

 

[naked123]

But @NightRaven49 said no need too buy heatsink since I am using to replace the one in my laptop.

If your laptop already comes with SSD heatsink then no need lor

 

[Phen8210]

But @NightRaven49 said no need too buy heatsink since I am using to replace the one in my laptop.

Take a look at how your laptop is designed, some use the exterior to absorb heat, and you will find thermal pads below the cover.

 

[Hafi]

I was "shocked" to see Samsung 990 Pro 2TB lelong for US$138 this morning. I went to check the price after I saw a Youtuber live stream recording just few hours prior and it was showing US$159 when he did a realtime check.

US$20 drop within that few hours... LoL

drop to US$131.9 today... think by BF can hoot 2 sticks 2TB to keep LoL

4TB version "expensive" though US$344.99

 

[86technie]

For laptop SSD replacements, do we need to buy those SSDs with or without heatsink?

SSD don't need heatsink, if it gets too hot it will throttle/slowdown.
For laptop wise I will recommend Samsung 980 (non pro) over the Samsung 970 EVO Plus.
Especially since you concern with hot which is true for laptop.

Since laptop have limited airflow putting a Samsung 970 EVO Plus can heat up fast.
Samsung 980 (non pro) wise will run less hot so more ideal for ideal laptop.
So don't really need this just get a SSD that won't run hot for use with laptop.

 

[zhanhuju]

Paid around $260SGD for Lexar ARES 4TB SSD bundle including an nvme external enclosure including delivery from taobao.

SSD Controller

nvme chips x4

Bundled enclosure

Lexar SSD box

Temperatures

 

[zhanhuju]

All the SSDs I have

Don't really recommend Powerev Aka Gloway/Asgard, their memory chips source is inconsistent
Zhitai Tiplus 5000 has issues with certain laptops as system drive
On Asgard AN4+ the chips is not the same as Asgard AN2
Asgard AN4+

This is on Asgard AN2