Official November 2016 SBF

[rock^star]

No replies to my earlier qn?

Ok anyway, I have some thoughts about the balloting process. Will post my interpretation here, to help all who are indeed confused.

95% of any SBF exercise is reserved for First Timers (FT), and 5% for Second Timers (ST).

In any SBF, there are priority schemes. 50% of flats reserved for Parenthood Priority Scheme (PPS), 30% for Married Child Priority Scheme (MCPS), 5% for Third-Child Priority Scheme (***) etc.

95%-50%-30%-5% leaves only about 10% for the other FTs, ie married couples and non-married couples.

Assuming there are 100 units of a 4 room category for selection, 50 units will be reserved for PPS, 30 for MCPS and 5 for ***, and of course 10 for married / non-married FT. The remaining 5 are for ST.

The PPS applicants (up to 50 max) will be allocated any number from 1-100, followed by up to 30 MCPS applicants, and then up to 5 *** applicants, then up to 10 FT applicants (incl. those unsuccessful PPS, MCPS and *** applicants) and up to 5 ST applicants. When 100 numbers have been given out, those FT and ST applicants who did not receive numbers (regardless of scheme now), will be subject to a final ballot up to 300% of the units available, ie up to a queue number of 300.

Many say it's down to luck, yes it's true. BUT, it also depends on the estate you choose. Non-mature ones always stand a higher chance than mature ones. And you can have non-married couples or ST applicants getting a smaller q no. than PPS / MCPS applicants, simply because those are the very lucky minority who managed to be selected for the ballot, and then got a smaller number, by sheer luck again.

I believe the PPS / MCPS groups.....because they think they stand a higher chance, tend to go for those 'hot' estates, and hence you often see stories of these 2 groups 'getting so-called' lousy numbers' despite their priority status.

So I think these schemes do work for many, but the chances will be much higher if one chooses the less mature estates.

HDB so far has not been very transparent about this process, and they do not disclose the exact numbers of successful applicants per priority scheme, per estate. So just putting this up here for future reference. Feel free to correct if necessary.

 

[tesseradecades]

the queue number is not related at all to any of the priority schemes. it is very common for people with priority to get bad queue numbers, and in some cases, even larger queue number than the total number of first timers who applied. this is especially the case in non-mature estates with lots of units available, but once you get a crap queue number you can forget about getting any of the units that will be completed soon. so in the end you might as well go for bto and not sbf.

I think to maximize the benefit of PPS, it is better to go for mature estates with less than 20 units available and most of the units have keys available. you dont have to compete with the MCPS and second timers for the 50% of the flats that are set aside for you, and once you get a number you can get a unit that will be complete soon. it all boils down to the percentage of people who apply with PPS, but i say the chances here are as good as it gets.

e.g. non-mature estate A
100 units available, 10 of which have keys/will complete within the year
first timer applicants = 70, second timers = 100
with PPS, you dont need to ballot, but your queue number can be anything within that 100
chance of success = 10%

mature estate B
10 units available, all have keys/ will complete within the year
first timer applicants = 70, second timers = 100
assume 20% of applicants have PPS
means 14 families competing for 5 units
chances of success > 35.7% (can still ballot in main pool of applicants after 5 units are taken up)

definitely go for mature estate B.

 

[ene1010.tan]

Time goes so slowly..still got 2mths to go before results are out..

now that I saw the news that housing will be built much faster.. abit regret never wait for BTO that is due Q2, 2021... and also the booking rate is much lower than SBF.

 

[rock^star]

the queue number is not related at all to any of the priority schemes. it is very common for people with priority to get bad queue numbers, and in some cases, even larger queue number than the total number of first timers who applied. this is especially the case in non-mature estates with lots of units available, but once you get a crap queue number you can forget about getting any of the units that will be completed soon. so in the end you might as well go for bto and not sbf.

I think to maximize the benefit of PPS, it is better to go for mature estates with less than 20 units available and most of the units have keys available. you dont have to compete with the MCPS and second timers for the 50% of the flats that are set aside for you, and once you get a number you can get a unit that will be complete soon. it all boils down to the percentage of people who apply with PPS, but i say the chances here are as good as it gets.

Don't confuse pple la .

The correct thing you stated was that priority scheme for sure, has no bearing on the queue no. BUT the key here is that, it ensures MOST priority scheme applicants have chances to get in the available quota.

PPS, or other priority schemes have a higher chance of success in non-mature estates, not mature ones.

https://www.facebook.com/ganthiampoh/posts/601163543246960

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/11/15/success-rates-for-mcps-in-mature-and-non-mature-estates-for-bto-flats-are-higher-than-public-applicants/

 

[tesseradecades]

Don't confuse pple la .

The correct thing you stated was that priority scheme for sure, has no bearing on the queue no. BUT the key here is that, it ensures MOST priority scheme applicants have chances to get in the available quota.

PPS, or other priority schemes have a higher chance of success in non-mature estates, not mature ones.

https://www.facebook.com/ganthiampoh/posts/601163543246960

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/11/15/success-rates-for-mcps-in-mature-and-non-mature-estates-for-bto-flats-are-higher-than-public-applicants/

Okay, it depends on what you mean by success. As I mentioned, most people apply for SBF because they want a flat soon. Otherwise, you might as well go for BTO as you will have more units to choose from. And for SBF, the units that are picked first will always be the units that are completed or will complete soon, so your queue number is very important.

Also, PPS is the only priority scheme that will give you advantage in mature estates with less than 20 units. which is why you should go for those if you have PPS.

 

[rock^star]

e.g. non-mature estate A
100 units available, 10 of which have keys/will complete within the year
first timer applicants = 70, second timers = 100
with PPS, you dont need to ballot, but your queue number can be anything within that 100
chance of success = 10%

mature estate B
10 units available, all have keys/ will complete within the year
first timer applicants = 70, second timers = 100
assume 20% of applicants have PPS
means 14 families competing for 5 units
chances of success > 35.7% (can still ballot in main pool of applicants after 5 units are taken up)

definitely go for mature estate B.

Ok so if I read correctly, your definition of SBF success is a house immediately. In your examples, A gives a chance to all PPS applicants eventually. B can mean not getting any flat at all for the PPS. And also based on the assumption that the mature estates have more completed / near completion units to choose from.

I would say just choose carefully, estate to estate can differ, mature or non-mature. But if one would like to get a flat eventually, and is not picky about q no., then non-mature is the way to go.

 

[salmoner]

Anyone received letter from HDB that they received your application?

 

[MamaAsparagus]

So fast receive letter already?

 

[salmoner]

So fast receive letter already?

Just asking, i dont know about it as this is my first time and i see BTO applicant haves it

 

[MamaAsparagus]

Oh. Cause BTO will receive results one month earlier than SBF. So they would have received the letters already. SBF probably towards end of January will start receiving letters.

 

[Franzz]

Bumps the thread for all SammyBoyFans...

 

[xtwis7]

Hopefully I get a pleasant surprise for my birthday this year if the results are out in Feb.

 

[Derlei09]

No replies to my earlier qn?

Ok anyway, I have some thoughts about the balloting process. Will post my interpretation here, to help all who are indeed confused.

95% of any SBF exercise is reserved for First Timers (FT), and 5% for Second Timers (ST).

In any SBF, there are priority schemes. 50% of flats reserved for Parenthood Priority Scheme (PPS), 30% for Married Child Priority Scheme (MCPS), 5% for Third-Child Priority Scheme (***) etc.

95%-50%-30%-5% leaves only about 10% for the other FTs, ie married couples and non-married couples.

Assuming there are 100 units of a 4 room category for selection, 50 units will be reserved for PPS, 30 for MCPS and 5 for ***, and of course 10 for married / non-married FT. The remaining 5 are for ST.

The PPS applicants (up to 50 max) will be allocated any number from 1-100, followed by up to 30 MCPS applicants, and then up to 5 *** applicants, then up to 10 FT applicants (incl. those unsuccessful PPS, MCPS and *** applicants) and up to 5 ST applicants. When 100 numbers have been given out, those FT and ST applicants who did not receive numbers (regardless of scheme now), will be subject to a final ballot up to 300% of the units available, ie up to a queue number of 300.

Many say it's down to luck, yes it's true. BUT, it also depends on the estate you choose. Non-mature ones always stand a higher chance than mature ones. And you can have non-married couples or ST applicants getting a smaller q no. than PPS / MCPS applicants, simply because those are the very lucky minority who managed to be selected for the ballot, and then got a smaller number, by sheer luck again.

I believe the PPS / MCPS groups.....because they think they stand a higher chance, tend to go for those 'hot' estates, and hence you often see stories of these 2 groups 'getting so-called' lousy numbers' despite their priority status.

So I think these schemes do work for many, but the chances will be much higher if one chooses the less mature estates.

HDB so far has not been very transparent about this process, and they do not disclose the exact numbers of successful applicants per priority scheme, per estate. So just putting this up here for future reference. Feel free to correct if necessary.

I am so confuse

 

[cool_ocean11]

No replies to my earlier qn?

Ok anyway, I have some thoughts about the balloting process. Will post my interpretation here, to help all who are indeed confused.

95% of any SBF exercise is reserved for First Timers (FT), and 5% for Second Timers (ST).

In any SBF, there are priority schemes. 50% of flats reserved for Parenthood Priority Scheme (PPS), 30% for Married Child Priority Scheme (MCPS), 5% for Third-Child Priority Scheme (***) etc.

95%-50%-30%-5% leaves only about 10% for the other FTs, ie married couples and non-married couples.

Assuming there are 100 units of a 4 room category for selection, 50 units will be reserved for PPS, 30 for MCPS and 5 for ***, and of course 10 for married / non-married FT. The remaining 5 are for ST.

The PPS applicants (up to 50 max) will be allocated any number from 1-100, followed by up to 30 MCPS applicants, and then up to 5 *** applicants, then up to 10 FT applicants (incl. those unsuccessful PPS, MCPS and *** applicants) and up to 5 ST applicants. When 100 numbers have been given out, those FT and ST applicants who did not receive numbers (regardless of scheme now), will be subject to a final ballot up to 300% of the units available, ie up to a queue number of 300.

Many say it's down to luck, yes it's true. BUT, it also depends on the estate you choose. Non-mature ones always stand a higher chance than mature ones. And you can have non-married couples or ST applicants getting a smaller q no. than PPS / MCPS applicants, simply because those are the very lucky minority who managed to be selected for the ballot, and then got a smaller number, by sheer luck again.

I believe the PPS / MCPS groups.....because they think they stand a higher chance, tend to go for those 'hot' estates, and hence you often see stories of these 2 groups 'getting so-called' lousy numbers' despite their priority status.

So I think these schemes do work for many, but the chances will be much higher if one chooses the less mature estates.

HDB so far has not been very transparent about this process, and they do not disclose the exact numbers of successful applicants per priority scheme, per estate. So just putting this up here for future reference. Feel free to correct if necessary.

I don't agreed the so called non mature have a higher chance. Frankly which are the non mature, punggol, sk, hg? The application rate for these estates are very high as well avg 4:1. All these 3 areas I have tried and I don't even have a queue number for selection.

I totally agreed that HDB has not been transparent, even the cs from sales feedback to me that there are alot of shortcoming in the system. I'm not sure if you guys are aware that if say among the first 10, one of them have book a flat(bto/sobf) earlier and later decided to cancel their unit during the selection. This particular unit will not be put back to the pool for the remaining 300% who who has queue number. This unit will be ended up in another sobf exercise. The cs agreed with me that this isn't fair to deprive those who are within the 300% and got a large q no. for a chance in selecting the rejected unit. This is totally time wasting for those who urgently needed a unit even if its unpopular.

btw, hdb is cutting down on new hdb projects these few years, the reason they gave is because they have already clear the backlogs. How true are these, no facts nothing, I only know me, my young bro and my neighbour dotter are still waiting for a chance to select a unit since more than a year ago. My bro and his fiancee both approach their respective MPs, all said the same thing as try non mature estate, this only assured me that they have totally lose ground with pple, esp those desperate young couples or married couples(i'm one of them)

 

[Derlei09]

I don't agreed the so called non mature have a higher chance. Frankly which are the non mature, punggol, sk, hg? The application rate for these estates are very high as well avg 4:1. All these 3 areas I have tried and I don't even have a queue number for selection.

I totally agreed that HDB has not been transparent, even the cs from sales feedback to me that there are alot of shortcoming in the system. I'm not sure if you guys are aware that if say among the first 10, one of them have book a flat(bto/sobf) earlier and later decided to cancel their unit during the selection. This particular unit will not be put back to the pool for the remaining 300% who who has queue number. This unit will be ended up in another sobf exercise. The cs agreed with me that this isn't fair to deprive those who are within the 300% and got a large q no. for a chance in selecting the rejected unit. This is totally time wasting for those who urgently needed a unit even if its unpopular.

btw, hdb is cutting down on new hdb projects these few years, the reason they gave is because they have already clear the backlogs. How true are these, no facts nothing, I only know me, my young bro and my neighbour dotter are still waiting for a chance to select a unit since more than a year ago. My bro and his fiancee both approach their respective MPs, all said the same thing as try non mature estate, this only assured me that they have totally lose ground with pple, esp those desperate young couples or married couples(i'm one of them)

What You mean when you say 300%? Anyway selectin of SOBF take so long can wait more than a year from the time got a q number?

 

[rock^star]

I don't agreed the so called non mature have a higher chance. Frankly which are the non mature, punggol, sk, hg? The application rate for these estates are very high as well avg 4:1. All these 3 areas I have tried and I don't even have a queue number for selection.

I totally agreed that HDB has not been transparent, even the cs from sales feedback to me that there are alot of shortcoming in the system. I'm not sure if you guys are aware that if say among the first 10, one of them have book a flat(bto/sobf) earlier and later decided to cancel their unit during the selection. This particular unit will not be put back to the pool for the remaining 300% who who has queue number. This unit will be ended up in another sobf exercise. The cs agreed with me that this isn't fair to deprive those who are within the 300% and got a large q no. for a chance in selecting the rejected unit. This is totally time wasting for those who urgently needed a unit even if its unpopular.

btw, hdb is cutting down on new hdb projects these few years, the reason they gave is because they have already clear the backlogs. How true are these, no facts nothing, I only know me, my young bro and my neighbour dotter are still waiting for a chance to select a unit since more than a year ago. My bro and his fiancee both approach their respective MPs, all said the same thing as try non mature estate, this only assured me that they have totally lose ground with pple, esp those desperate young couples or married couples(i'm one of them)

These few years, HDB has been clearing the backlog of those who have kids, naturally the chances for married couples without kids will be lesser. If the ratio is 4:1, then your chance is only 25% if you don't take up any priority scheme. Try those ratios which are 3:1 and below, chances will only go higher.

 

[Franzz]

Not say no choice if you really urgent or desperate for a house. Try those with application rate of lesser than 2, like Sembawang or Yishun or CCK.

I applied for Aug BTO and Nov SBF. The former I got a number since application rate less than 3, for the latter for sure get number also since application rate only 0.5.

2 shots 2 hits - sure have units for you if not choosy. Else you can wait again but don't complain.

 

[prayinghard]

When is your selection date for Aug BTO?

Not say no choice if you really urgent or desperate for a house. Try those with application rate of lesser than 2, like Sembawang or Yishun or CCK.

I applied for Aug BTO and Nov SBF. The former I got a number since application rate less than 3, for the latter for sure get number also since application rate only 0.5.

2 shots 2 hits - sure have units for you if not choosy. Else you can wait again but don't complain.

 

[cool_ocean11]

Not say no choice if you really urgent or desperate for a house. Try those with application rate of lesser than 2, like Sembawang or Yishun or CCK.

I applied for Aug BTO and Nov SBF. The former I got a number since application rate less than 3, for the latter for sure get number also since application rate only 0.5.

2 shots 2 hits - sure have units for you if not choosy. Else you can wait again but don't complain.

Would anyone of a sensible mind apply in the west(for example) and both you/your partner working in the east and parents are in that area too? Even if you wouldn't mind the daily travel >hr, have you calculate the expenses incur for the inconveniences when those have plans to get parents help to babysit your kids while both are working? Everyone situations are different and to point out the flaws in the application system we could just help to improve it and make it fairer. The hdb cs had also agreed there are much to improve therefore i don't see any wrong in giving valuable feedback but only for you to deem as ''complaints''

hmm.. I guess everyone will be choosy or KS(kiasu/kiasee) if given the options/choices, you are no exceptional or else you won't have applied for two exercises. You already got a number for Aug BTO however you went ahead to apply Nov SBF, I'm not blaming or stopping you as I know quite a number of people with follow your footsteps. I just want to point out that if those who alr got a number but would try again for the next exercise this will add competition to the fresh pool of applicants.

 

[cool_ocean11]

What You mean when you say 300%? Anyway selectin of SOBF take so long can wait more than a year from the time got a q number?

''HDB conducts a balloting of the flat applications received and issues queue numbers up to 300% of the flat supply''

in the event if there are people in the front give up their queue. the remaining 200% would hv the chance go dwn to hdb to select a unit.

example total supply 100 units. up to 300 applicants will be given a number

refer https://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/BP13BTOENQWeb/AR_Nov2016_SBF?strSystem=SBF