Proposal Ring - Part 3

[ash like snow]

Any pictures of the ring on ur finger to determine the size better? From the pictures provided by shop it’ll always look nice but can hardly tell the real size

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[VodkaPear]

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later will be heading over to JP for my appointment.

Budget and design will be similar to urs.

Excited.

 

[CheeRs87]

Most ppl don’t look at that many diamonds. To properly compare, will need to borrow the diamond from one shop then go the other shop and compare side by side.

In lieu of this, what JP did instead is make videos showing what they label as super ideal look like side by side with what most shops sell as ideal or triple excellent. Then viewer can judge themselves.

For those ppl who are interested past this comparison, they go further and explain why some diamonds sparkle more than others, to the point where it becomes scientific with calculations and detailed scopes. Again, these are for those interested, if ppl not interested can just reference the videos.

As others have pointed out, if you don’t want to pay the premium for super ideal, house of hung carries the same ideal and triple excellent that other shops do, at a lower price, and without trying to bluff you that their diamonds are “super ideal” without defining what they mean by “super ideal”. Since HoH and JP are basically the same shop, you can probably request for them to put the JP super ideal next to these to compare with your own eyes too.

I like their business model. Though I’m not a customer as I don’t support the diamond industry. Just speaking from someone who finds what they are doing quite commendable especially for ppl looking for honesty and quality.

Well said. Alot of ppl misinterpret what the scopes are for. Its not that you pay more for the scopes. The scopes purpose is to judge the quality, so that you don't overpay. It's just that JP is very transparent about it and have high standards. If there's something wrong with the diamond, they will show you the flaws and explain why you should not be paying so much for that quality. Many diamond newbies might not be able to spot the flaws and get tricked by just what the shops says and assume they got a good price for that ''quality''.

Thats why JP gives the diamond education so customers will have the knowledge not to get tricked and judge themselves. They kinda spoilt the market because shops cant get away with smoking customers

 

[CheeRs87]

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Your diamond still looks big bro

 

[ckboyz]

All these scope marketing talk by JP seems overhyped.. pretty good marketing seeing how everyone is raving about JP just cos of the scopes. will u bring a scope picture out every time with u to show others?

Best tool is your own eyes. Bring the diamond to somewhere with natural lighting and turn it 360 degrees. scrutinise it and if it looks good to u then get it. If u’ve looked at enough diamonds, u’ll be able to tell which is a good one and which is not even without a scope

But isn't scope making your life easier and also serve as a checking tools? I think its all depends on ones expectation.

 

[ash like snow]

later will be heading over to JP for my appointment.

Budget and design will be similar to urs.

Excited.

Your diamond still looks big bro

Yeah for a $3000 (excluding $500 for setting) I would say it's not bad considering I don't have a high budget :X

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[VodkaPear]

Yeah for a $3000 (excluding $500 for setting) I would say it's not bad considering I don't have a high budget :X

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After a long decision, finally decide on a 0.51ct, F, VS1 diamond at 3900 (without setting).

Worth it? Am I carrot? Haha.

Now, waiting for scope pictures.

 

[ballstothewall]

After a long decision, finally decide on a 0.51ct, F, VS1 diamond at 3900 (without setting).

Worth it? Am I carrot? Haha.

Now, waiting for scope pictures.

Good price, congrats

 

[new_bie]

GIA cert no indication of what cut it is right?
so how do we determine it?

 

[new_bie]

GIA cert no indication of what cut it is right?
so how do we determine it?

Also, 0.6, D, VS2, super idea cut = what price range u guys think is Reasonable?

Thanks all in advance for the inputs

Depth 61.9 %
Table 56 %
Crown Angle 34.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle- Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet - None

 

[smileedee12]

GIA cert no indication of what cut it is right?
so how do we determine it?

It's been mentioned many times before. A triple excellent would give u something like a grade A diamond (score of 75-100). If you want an A* diamond (score of 91-100), then you gotta check through the scopes for the symmetry of the hearts and arrows and the amount of light leakage. (Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Also, 0.6, D, VS2, super idea cut = what price range u guys think is Reasonable?

Thanks all in advance for the inputs

Depth 61.9 %
Table 56 %
Crown Angle 34.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle- Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet - None

I didn't bother to calculate HCA score for your diamond. If you're asking for a super ideal cut from JP, the one i know of is a 0.64 G VS1 which costs $5150. So I would suppose a 0.6 D VS2 would cost about $5300? You can't really compare JP diamonds with other shops' diamonds unless you're able to look through all the scopes and know what else to look out for..

In all honesty, as long as the light return is good (very minimal light leakage), I am good with it so my other half and I settled for an ideal cut from HOH. We only compared prices of JP with tiff and Co, cartier and love&co.. My partner can't be bothered to check out any more shops and JP offered the most reasonable price with scopes for us to look through so we just settled. Actually he just settled la.. I wanted to look at more but he was really tired by then lol

 

[KinoChoco]

It's been mentioned many times before. A triple excellent would give u something like a grade A diamond (score of 75-100). If you want an A* diamond (score of 91-100), then you gotta check through the scopes for the symmetry of the hearts and arrows and the amount of light leakage. (Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)



I didn't bother to calculate HCA score for your diamond. If you're asking for a super ideal cut from JP, the one i know of is a 0.64 G VS1 which costs $5150. So I would suppose a 0.6 D VS2 would cost about $5300? You can't really compare JP diamonds with other shops' diamonds unless you're able to look through all the scopes and know what else to look out for..

In all honesty, as long as the light return is good (very minimal light leakage), I am good with it so my other half and I settled for an ideal cut from HOH. We only compared prices of JP with tiff and Co, cartier and love&co.. My partner can't be bothered to check out any more shops and JP offered the most reasonable price with scopes for us to look through so we just settled. Actually he just settled la.. I wanted to look at more but he was really tired by then lol

Should be at least 6k+ for 0.6 D as I remember each jump in color is 5-8% price increase

 

[VodkaPear]

Jus curious, clarity char: crystal, cloud, pinpoint. But the diamond is vs1.

So is there anything I shld concern abt?

 

[smileedee12]

Should be at least 6k+ for 0.6 D as I remember each jump in color is 5-8% price increase

Won't hit $6k bah.. 0.72 F VS2 is $6750.

I realise if carat goes down by 0.01, their price decrease by abt $100 only.. So from 0.64 G VS1 price of $5150, minus $400 is $4750. Then increase in colour up by 5% twice is about $5.3k (I'm assuming a colour grade increase and clarity decrease will cancel the difference out but I know price of colour > clarity)

In any case, price jumps from 0.7 carat. So unless the carat is very near 0.7, I doubt will hit $6k

 

[smileedee12]

Should be at least 6k+ for 0.6 D as I remember each jump in color is 5-8% price increase

A 0.62 G VS2 is $4800. So I really don't think 0.6 D VS2 will hit $6k!

 

[smileedee12]

Jus curious, clarity char: crystal, cloud, pinpoint. But the diamond is vs1.

So is there anything I shld concern abt?

Hi, I asked JP the exact same question and their reply is as below. FYI my diamond has pinpoint, needle and something else. I read somewhere that basically you would want to avoid diamonds with feather and needle so I was really concerned with mine..

"Regarding the characteristics, it shows you the type of inclusions but not the severity.
This is because clarity is graded based on a few factors:
1. The location of the impurities
2. The size of the impurities
3. The number of impurities

Hence, for example, we can have these two diamonds both graded VS1:

Diamond A:
Pinpoint
So even though this diamond only has one type of inclusion, it could be a lot bigger, or there could be many pinpoints, resulting in the grading of a VS1.

Diamond B:
Crystal, Feather, Pinpoint, Cloud, Needle
Whilst for this diamond, at first glance it may seem daunting, but it could mean that all these inclusions are smaller, lesser, or it might even be one of each kind.

When talking about diamond impurities, these are the main concern:
- Durability (prone to chipping or cracks)
- Eye clean (impurities that can be seen with the naked eye)
- Milky/haziness (blurry or oily appearance)"

They helped to check my diamond and mentioned that my diamond was free from the above. You could check in with the jeweller from which you purchased your diamond from to check on the above

 

[VodkaPear]

Hi, I asked JP the exact same question and their reply is as below. FYI my diamond has pinpoint, needle and something else. I read somewhere that basically you would want to avoid diamonds with feather and needle so I was really concerned with mine..

"Regarding the characteristics, it shows you the type of inclusions but not the severity.
This is because clarity is graded based on a few factors:
1. The location of the impurities
2. The size of the impurities
3. The number of impurities

Hence, for example, we can have these two diamonds both graded VS1:

Diamond A:
Pinpoint
So even though this diamond only has one type of inclusion, it could be a lot bigger, or there could be many pinpoints, resulting in the grading of a VS1.

Diamond B:
Crystal, Feather, Pinpoint, Cloud, Needle
Whilst for this diamond, at first glance it may seem daunting, but it could mean that all these inclusions are smaller, lesser, or it might even be one of each kind.

When talking about diamond impurities, these are the main concern:
- Durability (prone to chipping or cracks)
- Eye clean (impurities that can be seen with the naked eye)
- Milky/haziness (blurry or oily appearance)"

They helped to check my diamond and mentioned that my diamond was free from the above. You could check in with the jeweller from which you purchased your diamond from to check on the above

OMG, thanks for the great info!

I have made my downpayment for the diamond 0.51 F VS1 at JP last Friday.

Pending for their scope images right now.

Kinda worried as after I left the place, I relook at the photo which I took (the diamond box behind) then realised that it has Crystal, Cloud and Pinpoint under Clarity Char although it was graded as VS1.

So can I say that since the diamond rated as Super Ideal at JP, I shld not need to worry abt the 3 main concerns (durability, eye clean, milky/haziness) that u have mentioned above?

I shld put "100 hearts" right? Hahaha.

 

[smileedee12]

OMG, thanks for the great info!

I have made my downpayment for the diamond 0.51 F VS1 at JP last Friday.

Pending for their scope images right now.

Kinda worried as after I left the place, I relook at the photo which I took (the diamond box behind) then realised that it has Crystal, Cloud and Pinpoint under Clarity Char although it was graded as VS1.

So can I say that since the diamond rated as Super Ideal at JP, I shld not need to worry abt the 3 main concerns (durability, eye clean, milky/haziness) that u have mentioned above?

I shld put "100 hearts" right? Hahaha.

I just checked mine. Mine has crystal, cloud, needle and pinpoint LOL! At point of purchase I trusted the vs1 grading. But overtime at home, all the clarity characteristics really bothered me and I tried begging (for lack of better words ><) my bf to change to another diamond but he was insistent on keeping to it because we had an affinity to it and didn't spot anything amiss other than one/two misaligned arrows (mine is an ideal diamond from HOH). Ranjit even mentioned that if there were any obvious inclusions, you would already notice it when looking through the scopes. And true enough, we couldn't find the inclusions, which was why I went home happy but as I said, overtime the number of clarity characteristics really bothered me so I had to write in lol.

Yours being a super ideal from JP with a grading of vs1, really no need to worry but of course if your mind is still uneasy, they are only an email away. Weekdays they tend to reply within 2 days. Weekends could take some time.

Should give more than 100 hearts!!! Hahahha

 

[vincent007]

Just got my wedding bands from Love n co. Can I check how long does it take to custom a new ring? They say it’s 3 months (longer coz rose gold), but want to know if actually it will be faster or not. My wedding day is 9 Sep so 3 months from now kinda rush.

Another thing, is engraving foc? And how long is engraving?

 

[IcYFl4mEz]

so is ideal cut = triple excellent cut?
i went to SK, they are saying clarity doesnt really affect light leakage/blink blink.
its the cut. so as long as eye clean, clarity SI1 also can? if compared to another ring with VS1, blink n brilliant same same in all diff angle.