Proposal Ring - Part 3

[mrmaru]

Hi

You'll need at least the ASET or Idealscope Image to assess light leakages of the diamond, if any. Without those, we can only go by the stats on the cert.

The HCA score is 2.4 for this diamond. By JP Super Ideal Cut standard, the HCA has to be 1.4 and below whilst it's advisable to only look at diamonds with HCA score 2 and below, that is if you are not too precise with the cut.

Crown Angle at 36.5 is steep, having a steeper crown can compensate for shallower pavilion angle 40.6 (which is the case here) but 36.5 is probably too steep. Ideal crown angle is 34-35. Hence, probably light leakages.

Depth at 62.8 is a little too deep, which means the diamond is a little bottom heavy, translating into smaller diamond face up.

Strong blue fluorescence, fair enough if having a "blue" diamond under sunlight is your kind of thing. Just have to make sure with the gemologist that the diamond is not milky/hazy. Usually diamond's value is impacted by the fluorescence, negatively. - good for you if you like it as it costs cheaper.

Carat 0.60 - flat weight, which is not ideal.

Color D - ok, but not necessary.

Clarity VS 1 - ok, but not necessary.


If you're looking to maximize your budget for a aesthetically attractive diamond in real life perspective, you can probably maximum the weight, get an ideal cut and go lower in color and clarity. (If you are prioritising paper stats, then this recommendation is not for you)

I'd think 3.5k SGD is a fair price to purchase that diamond.

hi everyone. am very new to this area and would like your help in determine how good is this diamond.
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=7288697452

how much would this diamond be worth?

How to tell based on specs if the diamond is shiny and attractive?

Thank you

 

[bugbunny]

Hey thanks a lot for the comments. Greatly appreciate that

 

[misstt]

for a budget of 8k,

VS2
F colour

what is the approximate carat size i can expect for JP super ideal and octagon?

priority is carat and 'bling' (like octagon) so i can drop my clarity and colour further...
going JP soon but wanna manage my expectations a little

 

[smileedee12]

for a budget of 8k,

VS2
F colour

what is the approximate carat size i can expect for JP super ideal and octagon?

priority is carat and 'bling' (like octagon) so i can drop my clarity and colour further...
going JP soon but wanna manage my expectations a little

Hi, my bf also has the same quote haha.

If you're going for side diamonds / halo settings, it would cost approx $1200 if I'm not wrong. A 0.72 SIC F VS2 round diamond would cost $6750. Well within $8k (I asked for G VS2 but this was the closest they had within my bf budget)

If $8k is solely for diamond, I believe you can get a 0.78, maybe even a 0.8 but in not sure if 0.8 is considered a flat carat.

Not sure how much an octagon would cost but they only have small sizes now, next shipment in about a month's time (or maybe it was the cushion, can't remember omg sorry) Octagon prices are about 5% more expensive than a SIC but bear in mind, their stocks run low very fast haha.

 

[alamakazim]

really jin atas... this thread...

some1 start a low ses Proposal Ring topic please

anyway signing off with my 0.5ct low ses ring

good luck guys... and have fun girls

 

[VodkaPear]

With your budget, it only matches my ring from JP of 0.44 D VS2 with plain settings.

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care to share ur pic of the ring?

 

[ash like snow]

care to share ur pic of the ring?

For a 0.44 I would say it looks big... Maybe because it's super ideal with such settings

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[Firexxgun]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

 

[smileedee12]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

I just read this morning from some blog post that they allowed viewing diamonds through the scopes. Did you get your diamond from there? Which scopes did you manage to look through?

 

[ckboyz]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

Do they provide ASET scope?

 

[ahboy82]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

I gt same feel oso,actually nt that its over priced but rather its nt cheap.

If i were to go budget i wont go JP la thats my conclusion

 

[ThiamWan]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

Your missing out on the quality difference. Diamonds can be classified in 3 tiers: Super Ideal cut / Ideal cut / Normal triple Excellent. The cost of the diamond will also follow this tier. Jannpaul sells Super Ideal cuts only. Poh Kim doesn’t do Super Ideal cuts, but they have the normal Ideal cuts and triple Excellent. If you want Ideal cuts, you should compare apples with apples, with the Ideal cuts or Excellent cuts with their House of Hung stocks and not Jannpaul.

I compared with Poh Kim before too and shared the GIA number with other Jewellers to compare. House of Hung gave me the cheapest price out of all of them. I think a lot of these Ideal / Exc cuts is floating around the market and they all have access to the same diamond. In the end, I decided to go for quality and stuck with Jannpaul.

Also, don’t just trust what the SA tell you when they say this is a Super ideal cut, etc. You need to see the scopes yourself. One of the places I went to told me this was a Super Ideal and after I inisisted on the scopes, it turned out differently. I almost kenna chopped.

I asked and got these pictures. Its quite different from the photos i see other ppl posting. He told me its a super ideal cut and the proportions are super ideal too.

 

[CheeRs87]

For a 0.44 I would say it looks big... Maybe because it's super ideal with such settings

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Carat is the weight. So the visual size for super ideal is optimized to give the best spread already and will look bigger.

Nice ring btw! That setting is quite popular. I also chose than design in the white and rose gold version

 

[ash like snow]

Carat is the weight. So the visual size for super ideal is optimized to give the best spread already and will look bigger.

Nice ring btw! That setting is quite popular. I also chose than design in the white and rose gold version

Yeah I was deciding this or 0.5 for a $1k difference, I don't think it's worth cause the size difference not very big

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[KinoChoco]

I think jann paul is over priced because of the service. U can get vvs2 super ideal hearts and arrow cuts for 0.5carat at much lesser price in poh kim.

JP will never be more expensive than other shops for the same ‘quality/tier’ of cut. Most people are not educated enough in diamond to know the differences between the real tier/quality that are beyond the general Cut/Clarity/Color.

Most shops passes their diamond off as ‘super ideal cut’ hearts and arrow diamond with just the H&A scope which bascially, almost all diamonds will look perfect with that lame scope lol, it’s used to trick customers whom does not know much about diamonds.

If you don’t believe me or what most of us said here, record down the GIA cert number and take photo of whatever scope images the shops provided and head down to HOH/JP, I can almost certainly tell you that they will provide u back with the same level of the diamond you saw and priced even cheaper than Poh Kim or whatever Shop it is.

 

[ballstothewall]

Any idea where JP source their diamonds from? Just curious

Already placed a deposit with them a few weeks ago xD

 

[Gainduia]

Any idea where JP source their diamonds from? Just curious

Already placed a deposit with them a few weeks ago xD

Based on the sale person,is from South Africa.

 

[gingerhoney]

Do they provide ASET scope?

All these scope marketing talk by JP seems overhyped.. pretty good marketing seeing how everyone is raving about JP just cos of the scopes. will u bring a scope picture out every time with u to show others?

Best tool is your own eyes. Bring the diamond to somewhere with natural lighting and turn it 360 degrees. scrutinise it and if it looks good to u then get it. If u’ve looked at enough diamonds, u’ll be able to tell which is a good one and which is not even without a scope

 

[gingerhoney]

For a 0.44 I would say it looks big... Maybe because it's super ideal with such settings

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Any pictures of the ring on ur finger to determine the size better? From the pictures provided by shop it’ll always look nice but can hardly tell the real size

 

[theblueark]

All these scope marketing talk by JP seems overhyped.. pretty good marketing seeing how everyone is raving about JP just cos of the scopes. will u bring a scope picture out every time with u to show others?

Best tool is your own eyes. Bring the diamond to somewhere with natural lighting and turn it 360 degrees. scrutinise it and if it looks good to u then get it. If u’ve looked at enough diamonds, u’ll be able to tell which is a good one and which is not even without a scope

Most ppl don’t look at that many diamonds. To properly compare, will need to borrow the diamond from one shop then go the other shop and compare side by side.

In lieu of this, what JP did instead is make videos showing what they label as super ideal look like side by side with what most shops sell as ideal or triple excellent. Then viewer can judge themselves.

For those ppl who are interested past this comparison, they go further and explain why some diamonds sparkle more than others, to the point where it becomes scientific with calculations and detailed scopes. Again, these are for those interested, if ppl not interested can just reference the videos.

As others have pointed out, if you don’t want to pay the premium for super ideal, house of hung carries the same ideal and triple excellent that other shops do, at a lower price, and without trying to bluff you that their diamonds are “super ideal” without defining what they mean by “super ideal”. Since HoH and JP are basically the same shop, you can probably request for them to put the JP super ideal next to these to compare with your own eyes too.

I like their business model. Though I’m not a customer as I don’t support the diamond industry. Just speaking from someone who finds what they are doing quite commendable especially for ppl looking for honesty and quality.