Proposal Ring - Part 4

[alatus]

0.56ct dimension is 5.34 x 5.08mm
0.60ct dimension is 5.46 x 5.19mm

Usually when its set into the ring, the difference isn't that huge between this 2 diamond.
if that helps you to save $700 - $800, you should go for the 0.56ct .

I'm considering between the 0.3ct and 0.5ct diamond. From the naked (and non-expert) eye, their differences aren't very significant. Is there anything else I should also consider when deciding the carat weight of the diamonds between a 0.3ct and 0.5ct diamond?

In terms of price, they differ quite a lot, and it'd certainly be nice if choosing one over the other could help me save over $1k assuming their difference really is just that tiny bit visually in size that, unless under close scrutiny when worn, won't be significant at all.

 

[freewilly5000]

JP has told me that they don't have stocks for certain sizes and that it will take a few months to lab-grow them. They also mentioned to me that since it is lab-grown, the level of brilliance, brightness, and others are not guaranteed. It will all depend on how the diamond is eventually grown in the lab, and however it turns out to be, that's the diamond I'm getting. Does this mean that if I'm not getting something they have in stock, I run the same risk of diamond chipping/slanted/brightness performance, light leakage, etc. that I might have elsewhere?

I'm considering between the 0.3ct and 0.5ct diamond. From the naked (and non-expert) eye, their differences aren't very significant. Is there anything else I should also consider when deciding the carat weight of the diamonds between a 0.3ct and 0.5ct diamond?

In terms of price, they differ quite a lot, and it'd certainly be nice if choosing one over the other could help me save over $1k assuming their difference really is just that tiny bit visually in size that, unless under close scrutiny when worn, won't be significant at all.

Bro not sure if you misheard from what the SA said.

From what i know jp have very strict checks thats why the grading is in a range from 0.31-0.39 etc. they need to adhere to light performance first rather than the carat weight.

Then the colour/clarity is decided by Gcal. Jp policies also includes non black inclusions, no chipping risks. Anyways you can also see from all the videos or photos the gcal 8x report would show as well so if there’s really such problems with light performance or chipping etc gcal will likely flag out or mention it too. They usually will ask you if you would want to view your diamond when it arrives, also to reassure you of its quality. You may want to double confirm with your SA.

Hi @noobzpro

If you're looking for lab grown, GIA doesn't talk about growth method or even report type2a/b for lab growns. But either way for lab/natural they don't talk about light performance at all so you can't see light leakages, can't see if there's any milkiness/graining/brown/green hue cause GIA doesn't show any video or photos of the diamond at all.

They only go by proportion which is honestly not enough to go about since you still need the ASET to accurately see the light performance of the diamond of the whole 57 facet (if you're looking at normal round brilliants)

here some more details of what GCAL 8x certification provides

- 360 view of your diamond




Top and Bottom view , Fire video and Scintillation video




Brilliance , Symmetry along with hearts and arrows




for a GIA certificate , i feel that not a lot of information is being revealed haha


the only shop that i know of which uses Gcal 8x certificate in SG is jp.

I feel GCAL8x is far more transparent and detailed for consumer.
The reason why you see more GIA certs than GCAL 8x reports is just cause most retailers won't want to spend that extra USD$100-150+ compared to GIA/IGI to go and certify with GCAL 8x when most of their inventory probably wont even pass Gcal 8x. From what i know its extremely difficult to get a 8x grading. GIA not stating the differences between those, would just make all of them look equally good on paper as 3 EXC, since most consumers don't know what to look out for anyways which is how most of us end up here when we deep dive into more research haha.

 

[happyboi125]

Hello. Appreciate if any experts out there can share their review on this diamond whether it is really good, white, bright etc as the specs suggest? Many thanks in advance!

1.2, D, IF

Wow looks good! May I know how much they quoted you for this?

 

[StrangelyWeird]

Hi Shifu-men! Went down to JP today and was shown this diamond.

0.921cts, Color: Grade D, Clarity: VS1 white series Round Brillant and just received the AGS diamond report for the diamond (AGS 104110854017). Was quoted 12.2k for this.
URL Link: https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/en-us/diamonds/104110854017/grading-report

Would like to ask if any kind souls here are able to advise on the specs of this diamond report and whether this diamond is of good quality? Thanks and really appreciate any comments on this!

 

[CutiePie84]

Hi Shifu-men! Went down to JP today and was shown this diamond.

0.921cts, Color: Grade D, Clarity: VS1 white series Round Brillant and just received the AGS diamond report for the diamond (AGS 104110854017). Was quoted 12.2k for this.
URL Link: https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/en-us/diamonds/104110854017/grading-report

Would like to ask if any kind souls here are able to advise on the specs of this diamond report and whether this diamond is of good quality? Thanks and really appreciate any comments on this!

Wah! You managed to get a AGS report for the SIC, nice! Since GIA & AGS merged, these AGS reports are going to be rarer and tbh looks much more grand and detailed to me than the GIA one. I didn’t see it in many shops and many places didn’t provide the ASET scope either so it was very difficult to to know what’s the difference of the triple exc from all the different places I went to like love n co, Michael Trio or local chains so I felt the AGS cert is really helpful man.

By the way, founder of AGS and GIA is the same person .

For SIC I think that’s actually a very good price point especially for a D color. It looks good for its value and specs, did you get to view it in the different lighting and actual ASET scope or video of it ?

 

[tummybubbletea]

Hi Senpais need to ask for your helpful advise! I'm happily engaged since last year with a Decagon and looking for wedding jewelery now. I went down to jp yesterday and saw their new octagon nova cut in store but i dont see it online yet. was informed by sam that it's their newest cut due for official release soon. Anybody saw it yet?? It looks really good but unlike anything I have seen.

This is the current one they only have available - https://www.gcalusa.com/certificate-search.html?certificate_id=332060065, Sam said it's the only instock they have so far as they have an ongoing waitlist. I really like this cut but will need your expert opinion on this.

One more thing is also my current Decagon is a 0.86ct. So this 1.3 size seems quite larger in size compared to my current ring, although my parents are buying it, I don't think i should let it overshadow my ring.. what do you guys think? My ring size is average, and they did told me for necklaces slightly bigger is ok.

Jp also sells earrings, so if im getting their new cut, I'm def going for Octagon earrings too!

 

[Lydia.Tan]

Wow @tummybubbletea you totally cured my mondayblues! The Octagon Nova looks fantastic, this looks like a new jp invention! From what I see from the GCAL cert, especially the fire and scintillation videos, it looks like this is going to be a stunner. Look at that crazy edge to edge scintillation!



I get how different it is from the usual Hearts & Arrows we see. The fire from the centre is also crazy, especially the snowflake look. Did they tell you how many facets is this new Octagon Nova cut? I think as necklace/earrings, from afar one will definitely be able to appreciate the fire, this new cut is amazing. I'm now eagerly waiting for JP to release their new official videos. Please update us if you have any videos or images to share! With regards to the pendant size, although i wont complain on the sizing, but I do get the general idea that it shouldnt overshadow the your engagement ring. Do you have time to custom cut? I know they take min. 3 months, if you can wait, i think perhaps a 1-1.1ct sizing is not too bad, but best to try and get what you are most comfortable!

 

[freewilly5000]

@tummybubbletea What size did you ended up going for? I'm curious to know how many facets is Paul new cut as the fire looks really bold and large, compared to their Decagon. Face up this new Octagon Nova cut seems to be an entirely new facet structure that jp never had before, but the scintillation map that Lydia shared above sees extremely well distributed fire throughout which means this diamond is very reactive like the decagon too. I guess I must really head down to jp sometime to have a look myself one day lol.



The fire is indeed very large and chunky, and well dispersed as it transitions to a smaller flare, even in the centre of this Octagon, it shows the transition from large to smaller fire.



Face up it looks very bright too, like their 10 hearts and arrows, this also has the even distribution of alternating white and blacks. But i guess prongs wise can do many design variations, as i know the prongs cannot cover the "arrows" but for this octagon nova cut can even do prongs at the top.

 

[mw1986]

Hello bros and sis, can help me see if this cut is good quality? Thanks!

https://www.gcalusa.com/certificate-search.html?certificate_id=332060003

 

[sengyeh88]

not sure what’s the golden ratio but this decagon looks great. mind sharing what’s the price for this?

 

[tummybubbletea]

Hi yall! I've been really busy & just got back from my business trip! Thank you everybody for all your input!! @freewilly5000 @Lydia.Tan I totally agree on how amazing this Octagon nova is & I really can't wait to wear it for my wedding! I have placed my deposit for a 1.01-1.09ct Lab Grown Nova, as they do not have instocks now so my preorder will be in a range. I'm really excited to see my final pendant.

I'm also going for a pair of 0.5ct+ Nova studs & I will share some pictures of the designs that my SA Sam shared too! Still contemplating on the 3 vs 4 prongs.

PS: The Nova has 137 amazing facets.

 

[Lydia.Tan]

Finally JP posted their new Octagon Nova release video! This is the first time I'm seeing such a beautiful non H&A diamond, even watched this video twice

 

[cornnnn]

Hi senpais,

Just received my GCAL cert for LG R10 diamond. I know the colour and clarity (D, VVS2) is considered good but as a first-time newbie, not sure how to process and evaluate all the other information on the cert.

Would appreciate any opinion (cant seem to post the full link cos of account limitations )
gcalusa.com/
certificate-search.html?certificate_id=332370037


Thanks in advance!

 

[freewilly5000]

Hi senpais,

Just received my GCAL cert for LG R10 diamond. I know the colour and clarity (D, VVS2) is considered good but as a first-time newbie, not sure how to process and evaluate all the other information on the cert.

Would appreciate any opinion (cant seem to post the full link cos of account limitations )
gcalusa.com/
certificate-search.html?certificate_id=332370037


Thanks in advance!

whenever i look at the certificate on GCAL website, i am still quite amazed by the many information provided
For your stone @cornnnn
Its a great diamond , the light performance is incredible , hearts and arrows is perfect as well.

Extensive grading by this laboratory
actually to see how strict GCAL is , you can have a tour in its lab through this youtube link i found:

 

[StanII]

Hello everyone!

I just made a deposit for this Decagon LG diamond with JP and saw the cert details, diamond is arriving soon

wanted to seek some opinions on the cert details, anything I should look out for?

thanks in advance!

https://www.gcalusa.com/certificate-search.html?certificate_id=332580005

 

[s0tong]

Hi all, how many visits at JP typically do you decide on the diamond? 2 visits acceptable? Don’t think can decide on 1st visit..

Also wonder why some chose natural over lab? I understand with naked eye can’t tell difference but unsure if I missed out something. Thank you

 

[HWlurker27]

Hi all, how many visits at JP typically do you decide on the diamond? 2 visits acceptable? Don’t think can decide on 1st visit..

Also wonder why some chose natural over lab? I understand with naked eye can’t tell difference but unsure if I missed out something. Thank you

When I buy things that I want, I typically wait a week or more to decide.
This is to ensure that I'm not buying on impulse.

You are buying for such an important event in your life, take time to research about the product that you are buying, compare with others, then decide whether you really want it or not.

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As for Natural vs Lab grown, it mainly depends on how an individual views them.
One is made over billion(s) of years. The other, made in a lab within weeks (or months).
That said, both are real diamonds, same composition, just made and priced differently.

Most people will prolly decide on what to get base on their finances.
If you can afford a natural diamond, go for it!
If you're tight on budget, go for a lab grown!

Your thought is what counts. You can always buy another ring years later.
What matters the most is to make sure that she will appreciate your token of love.

 

[QubyAmituofo]

Hi Shifu-men, recently went to JP to look at ring, just asking on your take on colored diamonds vs mainstream colorless diamond, any bros bought colored diamond for their SO?

Also, do Venus Tear have more colored diamonds? TIA!!

 

[CutiePie84]

Hi Shifu-men, recently went to JP to look at ring, just asking on your take on colored diamonds vs mainstream colorless diamond, any bros bought colored diamond for their SO?

Also, do Venus Tear have more colored diamonds? TIA!!

Lab grown or natural colored diamonds? Labgrown colored diamonds have been picking up in popularity. Blue pinks yellows mostly. But in the end what does your SO like? Beautiful colored naturals can go for auction prices. If you’re going lab colored then jp is no brainer. People on pricescope fly from the states just to go to JP. Paul is the only diamond designer actually innovating, and jp labgrowns are the only ones in the world producing only type iia hpht which is pretty much the epitome of labgrown quality that can reach.
Paul recently posted how he achieved a pure pink in their cushionx white series. Now you can get colored diamonds in the highest light performance whereas for natural colored they would never cut well cause they wanna retain color(too expensive)

 

[QubyAmituofo]

oh thanks for sharing, JP also showed us the pink diamond, but he days if we want thr pink diamond lab grown it is by luck one so we still considering, ya pink diamond is unique ah and my SO likes pink too