[ROTK] Wei, Wu, Shu

[upslorry]

Wu / Shu, 1 of them surrendered and open the gates to Wei army right?

actually not
Shu was defeated cos Wei's Deng AI climbed the mountains from behind SHu and entered Shu territory, and opened the gates for Wei army to invade

Wu had a great commander Lu Kang who was very talented, Lu XUn's son, was removed from his position, he was too friendly with enemy Wei commander
So people accused him of treachery and imprisoned him
but the main reason Wu was defeated cos Shu was defeated, Wu did not had allies anymore . and Wei was attacking Wu from ex-Shu locations in the South, Central and from the North

 

[Soulhacker]

Ya, after Jin go unite all the 3, they become complacent & corrupt absolutely and barbarians invade resulted in close to 4 centuries of chaos and suffering for the ancient ATs.

 

[cryptocraft]

Haha, these FTs are very fierce!!! After invasion, they started their own dynasty I suppose?

bo pian ... sima zhong is even more ah dou than ah dou. probably ah dou x 100000.

 

[upslorry]

The 5 Hu collaborated to invade? I thought xiongnu was eliminated during the han wu di era when he managed to consolidate the Han dynasty?

Southern Xiong Nu was defeated, the Northern ones went North and was assimilated by Xian Bei,
鲜卑族

 

[Kburn85]

cannot fit into the ROTK mould at all la. Dunno why you all keep trying to say that.

pinkie is nowhere near like cao pi. even ah dou is smart enough to 此間樂，不思蜀 so that they don't kill him.

if anything, pinkie is most like yuan shao. come form nobility, but no ability. even then, at least yuan shao got ability to control all the different warlords to kill dong zhuo

LTK and CSJ cannot fit into any of the character molds at all.

Era passed liao, time to move on.

 

[Paull33lampard]

actually not
Shu was defeated cos Wei's Deng AI climbed the mountains from behind SHu and entered Shu territory, and opened the gates for Wei army to invade

Wu had a great commander Lu Kang who was very talented, Lu XUn's son, was removed from his position, he was too friendly with enemy Wei commander
So people accused him of treachery and imprisoned him
but the main reason Wu was defeated cos Shu was defeated, Wu did not had allies anymore . and Wei was attacking Wu from ex-Shu locations in the South, Central and from the North

This shows us a very good lesson that allies are very important in a 3 way fight. Did Wu / Shu become allies with Wei at any point of time before?

 

[cryptocraft]

actually not
Shu was defeated cos Wei's Deng AI climbed the mountains from behind SHu and entered Shu territory, and opened the gates for Wei army to invade

Wu had a great commander Lu Kang who was very talented, Lu XUn's son, was removed from his position, he was too friendly with enemy Wei commander
So people accused him of treachery and imprisoned him
but the main reason Wu was defeated cos Shu was defeated, Wu did not had allies anymore . and Wei was attacking Wu from ex-Shu locations in the South, Central and from the North

kanna combo by deng ai and zhong hui ... is bo pian one ...

 

[cryptocraft]

This shows us a very good lesson that allies are very important in a 3 way fight. Did Wu / Shu become allies with Wei at any point of time before?

wu was a vassal of wei. aka sug wei cug.

 

[Paull33lampard]

cannot fit into the ROTK mould at all la. Dunno why you all keep trying to say that.

pinkie is nowhere near like cao pi. even ah dou is smart enough to 此間樂，不思蜀 so that they don't kill him.

if anything, pinkie is most like yuan shao. come form nobility, but no ability. even then, at least yuan shao got ability to control all the different warlords to kill dong zhuo

LTK and CSJ cannot fit into any of the character molds at all.

Era passed liao, time to move on.

Haha, told you this is just a very simple thread. any similarity with reality is pure coincidence

 

[cryptocraft]

Haha, told you this is just a very simple thread. any similarity with reality is pure coincidence

Actually, Pinkie might be a Sun Hao.

 

[upslorry]

This shows us a very good lesson that allies are very important in a 3 way fight. Did Wu / Shu become allies with Wei at any point of time before?

yes

Wu allied with Wei when Shu refused to return the borrowed territory of Jing ZHou
So Wu sent Lu Meng to attack and sneaked into Jing ZHou pretending as traders, then opened the gates of Jing ZHou and that was when Guan Yu was captured and beheaded, to frame Wei they sent the head to Cao Cao

Cao Cao buried Guan Yu to claim he had nothing to do with Guan Yu's death, and Liu Bei invaded Wu out of anger especially after Zhang Fei died trying to invade Wu

So Wu allied with Wei

Wu retake Shu's Jing ZHou
so Shu allied with Wei to fight back Wu

BUt then on, they realized no body could easily win
So that was the turning point after a major big fight between the three kingdoms, the three slowly settled down into the future without major wars

there were still other wars but not really major

 

[runroader]

has 刘皇叔's time finally come?

 

[Paull33lampard]

wu was a vassal of wei. aka sug wei cug.

So Sun Quan was abit worried when Wei displayed his ambitions to conquer all and started to ally with Liu Bei? They broke off the vassal links after the alliance right?

 

[Chan666]

皇上：朕打算出兵讨伐！


丞相：皇上三思，臣以为当前局势应该高筑墙广堆粮。不可冒然出兵啊。


皇上：丞相不要再说了！朕现在不出兵，更待何时？！朕心意已决，一定要出兵讨伐！


皇上：苍天无眼啊！为何天不助我！如今我兵败，如何面对江东子弟啊？！


皇上：臣相啊！只怪朕当初不听你的劝告，如今全军覆没！朕是千古罪人！九泉之下如何面对列祖列宗啊？！

 

[Kburn85]

Haha, told you this is just a very simple thread. any similarity with reality is pure coincidence

To answer directly, I think RoTK cannot really be used to compare to modern times. Those days, the emperors and countries are not so sovereign like today. The further they are from the emperor (distance), the less loyal they are.

Also, jingzhou non-stop being fought over and pwned, I don't think anyone can be happy at all. The novel say the people are happy, but IRL, I think the ppl of jingzhou probably suffer the worst.

Also, out of all 3 kingdoms, all are bad. Cao Cao is bloodthirsty and underhanded. Liu Bei is the biggest hypocrite and power hungry. Probably only Wu/Sun Quan want to protect their people and culture, and even then, they're like sinkies, too passive to do anything that doesn't benefit them immediately.

In the end, everyone suffer.

I think that time is when the emperor is good, life is good. There are some outstanding single-dynasties where life is great, like Han, Tang and Ming.

 

[upslorry]

So Sun Quan was abit worried when Wei displayed his ambitions to conquer all and started to ally with Liu Bei? They broke off the vassal links after the alliance right?

actually wu was never a vassal of Wei
they sometimes did ally but most of the time were opposing forces

 

[cryptocraft]

actually wu was never a vassal of Wei
they sometimes did ally but most of the time were opposing forces

when cow pee became the ong dei ... sun quan did summit to cow wei and be the king of wu

 

[Paull33lampard]

皇上：臣相啊！只怪朕当初不听你的劝告，如今全军覆没！朕是千古罪人！九泉之下如何面对列祖列宗啊？！

This is the battle when Shu attacked Wu to avenge Guan Yu's death?

 

[ranma21]

Me thinks SQ anti cao cause cao too powerful. LB anti cao cause he feels cao controlling han emperor too much. So he wants to restore the han dynasty. Cao only want power. Its only after his child take over then they usurped the throne

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During dong zhou era, cc as a young man tried to assassinate him coz he is inspired to serve Han, led ppl out from e darkness after suffered so much due to the constant wars..
He decide to raise his own clan n ppl who r closed to him like his bro n relative join his for his cause. As a young man with no big name, other wont join him n fight for his cause.
However as his prestige grow, he able to attract more talent to work with him. On e other hand, his inspiration of serving han etc also slowly corroded as he desired more power n gain more land.
CC encountered liu bei n he was stunned. Lb idea n appoach was a big threat to cc. During 煮酒论英雄， cc confess lb is a real hero n e real rival to him.
He dont dare to kill lb directly as it may lost ppl trust n prestige. Thus he "capture" lb as wat he did for han emperor.
Luckily lb "escape" using e excuse to go war on behalf of cc.
When cc is so strong, his advisers like jia xue advised him to take up e throne himself but cc stated it is easier to control 1 than be 1.
Cc is a good eg of a quote from dark knight. Either u die a hero or u see urself become a villain.

 

[upslorry]

when cow pee became the ong dei ... sun quan did summit to cow wei and be the king of wu

ok , he did submit to the rulership of Wei when Cao Pi declared emperor at one point
At that point of time, Wu and SHu alliance was broken after Wu killed Guan Yu and Shu hated Wu

So Wei forced Wu to decide whether they accept Cao Pi as emperor
Shu was hostile with Wu, and in alliance with Wei they were forced to either 1. accept Cao Pi emperor, 2. SUn QUan himself declare emperor and face attack of Wei and SHu 3. Continue accepting Han dynasty empire and face the attack of Wei

so Sun Quan accepted 1. cos that was the only way out
true it was a short period of time

but he also didnt really willingly accept the emperor Cao Pi, cos after Liu Bei declared emperor, Sun Quan declared himself emperor