[ROTK] Wei, Wu, Shu

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I think that is e beauty of rotk. There is no pure good or evil. They are men who hav their inspiration n have all sort of appoach to get their target.

I believed why game of throne is so popular is also there isnt any character who is pure hero or villian..

Is lb a hypocrite? Is cc a 奸雄? up to u to decide.

Perhaps it's all the same. Initially, all of them will want to do their best for the Han dynasty. Once they get enough power and do not have adequate suppressing opponents, they will become complacent and internally self destruct...
 
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I the end they are conquered by Jin. Jin formed by the peenoise, prc, bolehlander and ******** ft
They were once the subordinates of wei
 
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that wasnt done on purpose :D
zhang fei went attack on his own choice

the reason Liu Bei put Guan Yu on the front line because of enemy feared him and he was greatly trusted by Liu Bei, plus Jing ZHou where Guan Yu guarded was the main junction where Wei and Wu can attack

Guan Yu's own ego caused his own death?
 

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You guys shouldn't be using land area to determine power of a country. Those days, manpower determines national power, both for tax revenue and soldiers. Wei had 660k households, pop was 4.4 million. Wu had 520k households, pop was 2.5 million. Shu had 200k households, pop was 900k only.

Geographically, you can play ROTK series to figure out the importance of Jing Zhou.

Jing Zhou is critical to both Wu and Shu. For Wu, it's to secure the use of Chang Jiang against any invasion from the North. Chang Jiang flows from West towards East. So as long as they don't secure Jing Zhou, anyone want to attack Wu will find it easier to do so.

For Shu, it's the alternative route north rather than through Qishan.
 

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that wasnt done on purpose :D
zhang fei went attack on his own choice

the reason Liu Bei put Guan Yu on the front line because of enemy feared him and he was greatly trusted by Liu Bei, plus Jing ZHou where Guan Yu guarded was the main junction where Wei and Wu can attack

hehe ... if you play rotk game and as guan yu u only have the following as ur ocifer at jingzhou :- guan ping, zhao lei, liao hua, fu shiren, mi fang etc ... this kind of ******* stat ocifer, u think its not ur lord di siao u ... full of carries

jingzhou leh ... when is zhangfei and zhao yun and ma chao? all the war so low subordinates sure lose lah ...

jingzhou is a aljunied grc meh ... or a jurong grc?
 

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You guys shouldn't be using land area to determine power of a country. Those days, manpower determines national power, both for tax revenue and soldiers. Wei had 660k households, pop was 4.4 million. Wu had 520k households, pop was 2.5 million. Shu had 200k households, pop was 900k only.

Geographically, you can play ROTK series to figure out the importance of Jing Zhou.

Jing Zhou is critical to both Wu and Shu. For Wu, it's to secure the use of Chang Jiang against any invasion from the North. Chang Jiang flows from West towards East. So as long as they don't secure Jing Zhou, anyone want to attack Wu will find it easier to do so.

For Shu, it's the alternative route north rather than through Qishan.

Jing Zhou is not important to Wei? Isn't it be a passage for Wei to come down south to invade Wu and Shu?
 

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At that time
Shu was almost the same as Wu but territory was a abit smaller because they lost a large part of Jing Zhou to Wu
Wei still strongest, but the reason they didnt attack alot cos of few major reasons,

1. Cao Pi was the new emperor and Cao Pi wasnt a military person and didnt have ambition as much as his dad

2. The three kingdom keep changing alliance, when Wei attack Wu, Shu ally with Wu
when Wu attack Shu, Shu ally with Wei,
when SHu attack Wu, Wu ally with Wei

when Wei invade again, SHu and WU ally

there was no way out of this

First this is the ultimate plan n goal devised by zgl.
When most readers think lb need zgl.. But alternative view is thst zgl need lb more if he want to venture out to create his career.
His 三国鼎立plan is consider e best scenarios only to lb n fit to lb idea. First step to get that scenario, lb need to establish foothold.
That already dont fit into cc or sq coz they alresdy hav a foothold. E impact of his plan is not as big as other compare to lb thus zgl wont able to have great career responsibilty if he join sq. Plus sq already hav a big group of advisers thus his plan will definitely greet with disagreement among other more senior advisers.
Under lb clan where everyone know only how to fight but no concrete or ultimate goal, zgl plan is just like a god send.

Second, lb not onlu wan restore han but also peace for his ppl. Again zgl 三国plan fit in. With e 3 parties in balance, sensible ruler wont declare war without strong reason. = ppl in peace. If u know or read history expert writing abt zhl, e word sensible is e crucial. I explained later.

Third n last, wait for e moment of change. Established 3 parties then it is e matter of waiting games.. Observe astrology etc to predict change which advantage to lb n then declare campaign toward northen.
Once e northern is conquered, east wu will submit. Zgl also stated this in novel, if no major change to lb adv, at least he got a stronghold to stand n continue to serve ham im his own way. This is a final win win situation compared to lb current state during their meeting at zgl's kampong.

But when all established, lb lost his sensible after his close bro guan yu was captured n exe by wu. Zgl strongly advised not to go war as e 鼎立 situation is still not matured. There is no major change based om e astrology n lb is attacking e wrong target. Zgl dont even want to go to e campaign w lb n assign 马梁 to go om his behalf. Noval or articles domt state but noval experts guess zgl already predicted lb campign will lose. Thus e. Fictional 八卦trap 陆逊 story is born to make noval more exciting.

Overall it just show how impt is this gridlock to hav peace during tat time.
Thus it is no surprise when 1 party attack, the other 2 form allies.. It is effect of the ultimate plan, 三国鼎立.

It is meant to have "no way out" but it create peace. Maybe e "wait for change" quoted by zgl to lb is a carrot to create such gridlock.
 
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hehe ... if you play rotk game and as guan yu u only have the following as ur ocifer at jingzhou :- guan ping, zhao lei, liao hua, fu shiren, mi fang etc ... this kind of ******* stat ocifer, u think its not ur lord di siao u ... full of carries

jingzhou leh ... when is zhangfei and zhao yun and ma chao? all the war so low subordinates sure lose lah ...

jingzhou is a aljunied grc meh ... or a jurong grc?

Sounds Legit!!! Guan Yu is too proud to request for better manpower?
 

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Jing Zhou is not important to Wei? Isn't it be a passage for Wei to come down south to invade Wu and Shu?

Obviously, it is critical to Wei as well. Most of the time in ROTK games, it's literally the centre of the map. Whoever holds the centre, holds the initiative mah.

As I said, against Wu, it'll be easier to sail down the current towards the East from Jing Zhou.

Against Shu, it's another route in.
 

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Guan Yu's own ego caused his own death?


some say so

1. he rejected Sun Quan proposal for a son-daughter marriage and call Sun Quan's son "son of a bitch (dog)"

2. looked down on SUn Quan's commander Lu Meng thinking he not capable, Lu Meng infiltrated into his territory faking as traders and opened the gates to for army to invade

3. He refused to listen to the advisors and went the wrong escape route ending up himself captured by enemy


other saga: 4. when Huang Zhong and Ma Chao first joined the five tiger generals, Guan Yu was unhappy to be called the same rank with them, thinking they rookies
But Liu Bei gave him the rank and the Head of five tiger generals, then he happy

5. when ZHuge Liang first became military advisor, he threated to kill Zhuge Liang if his predicitons on the enemy movements were wrong
 

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some say so

1. he rejected Sun Quan proposal for a son-daughter marriage and call Sun Quan's son "son of a bitch (dog)"

2. looked down on SUn Quan's commander Lu Meng thinking he not capable, Lu Meng infiltrated into his territory faking as traders and opened the gates to for army to invade

3. He refused to listen to the advisors and went the wrong escape route ending up himself captured by enemy


other saga: 4. when Huang Zhong and Ma Chao first joined the five tiger generals, Guan Yu was unhappy to be called the same rank with them, thinking they rookies
But Liu Bei gave him the rank and the Head of five tiger generals, then he happy

5. when ZHuge Liang first became military advisor, he threated to kill Zhuge Liang if his predicitons on the enemy movements were wrong

gy oso ask zgl on his appraisal of mc, zgl needed to stroke his kkj by saying mc is on par with zf but luse to gy.

now u noe why zgl cbf about gy when he is stuck at maicheng.

muz be thinking ... orbigoot, angmorjiakkulut!
 

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You are not the 1st person who mentioned Liu Bei is a hypocrite. On San Guo Yan Yi, he is being praised as a hero though. So you feel he is like his ancestor Liu Bang?

borrow jingzhou dun return, only know how to oppose cao cao, steal the land of liu biao and liu zhang over flimsy reasons (liu zhang one is the worst, go plant spies in liu zhang's court)

cao cao ambitious and bloodthirsty, but if not for him, tiong kok won't be unified. cao cao is a hero who bring peace to tian xia, but liu bei leh? just another white faced hypocrite
 

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Liu bei only know how to cry and claim to descend from some aristocrat i mean royalty. The his son ah dou totally cannot make it only listen to prostateless eunuch.
 

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Obviously, it is critical to Wei as well. Most of the time in ROTK games, it's literally the centre of the map. Whoever holds the centre, holds the initiative mah.

As I said, against Wu, it'll be easier to sail down the current towards the East from Jing Zhou.

Against Shu, it's another route in.

When Wu joined forces with Wei to retrieve Jing Zhou, it's the start of the downfall of Shu?
 

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Guan Yu's own ego caused his own death?

Guan yu also a messed up personnel...
Cannot differentiate the importance of matters...

At 吃屁 war, he should have just killed caocao to make life better for his swore brother liu bei n for the better of han dynasty.. but he let him good cos caocao treat him go when he wanted to recruit him...

Act like so high moral , yet ego also problem...

Only thing good abt him is his ultimate loyalty to liu bei... Which alot of other general also can do.

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some say so

1. he rejected Sun Quan proposal for a son-daughter marriage and call Sun Quan's son "son of a bitch (dog)"

2. looked down on SUn Quan's commander Lu Meng thinking he not capable, Lu Meng infiltrated into his territory faking as traders and opened the gates to for army to invade

3. He refused to listen to the advisors and went the wrong escape route ending up himself captured by enemy


other saga: 4. when Huang Zhong and Ma Chao first joined the five tiger generals, Guan Yu was unhappy to be called the same rank with them, thinking they rookies
But Liu Bei gave him the rank and the Head of five tiger generals, then he happy

5. when ZHuge Liang first became military advisor, he threated to kill Zhuge Liang if his predicitons on the enemy movements were wrong

So Guan Yu only regard Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun as the Tiger generals?
 

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gy oso ask zgl on his appraisal of mc, zgl needed to stroke his kkj by saying mc is on par with zf but luse to gy.

now u noe why zgl cbf about gy when he is stuck at maicheng.

muz be thinking ... orbigoot, angmorjiakkulut!

I remember Ma Chao fought with Zhang Fei for many rounds but no winners. His character is very similar to Zhang Fei and a very fearsome warrior. Not sure if Guan Yu can beat him one on one and considering Ma Chao is younger with more energy.
 

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borrow jingzhou dun return, only know how to oppose cao cao, steal the land of liu biao and liu zhang over flimsy reasons (liu zhang one is the worst, go plant spies in liu zhang's court)

cao cao ambitious and bloodthirsty, but if not for him, tiong kok won't be unified. cao cao is a hero who bring peace to tian xia, but liu bei leh? just another white faced hypocrite

So out of the 3, do you think East Wu / Sun Quan is the better power?
 

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I remember Ma Chao fought with Zhang Fei for many rounds but no winners. His character is very similar to Zhang Fei and a very fearsome warrior. Not sure if Guan Yu can beat him one on one and considering Ma Chao is younger with more energy.

If all general age equal and fight...

Lu bu will be first, no doubt abt it.
Zhang fei, guan yu, ma chao, zhao yun, pang de, zhang liao fight for 2nd though likely guan yu will win narrowly...

Others include xiaohou dun, xiaohou yuan, huang zhong, gan ning, taicishi of sun ce

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