Ryzen System with Windows 7?

[5star_pundit]

wow look at tat killer tomahawk motherboard with the amount of ram slot and VRM

https://proclockers.com/reviews/mot...hawk-arctic-intel-motherboard-review/page/0/3

 

[xonix]

wow look at tat killer tomahawk motherboard with the amount of ram slot and VRM

https://proclockers.com/reviews/mot...hawk-arctic-intel-motherboard-review/page/0/3

https://proclockers.com/sites/default/files/MSI_X299_Tomahawk_Arctic_Motherboard_10.jpeg[/IMG ][/QUOTE]

Wrong thread ?

 

[-Synchronicity-]

Go check it the benchmarks for your games. More games are now benefiting from 6 cores or more but most are generally still reliant on high clock speed/ipc

That's why Intel coffee lake i5 still perform better at games despite Ryzen having 6 cores/12 threads.

Same reason why I skipped the 1700 and 2700 series as they have more cores but lower base clock. If you plan to do heavy overclocking, then consider the X versions.

Actually if you want more heavy overclocking, getting the non-x chip is a better choice. Reason being the x varients "auto-overclock" does a fantastic job. So good that the difference between a manual OC and the "auto oc" is just a difference of 0.1-0.3mhz difference on all cores.

Check out reviews for 2600x and you will see what I mean.

 

[croc1977]

Actually if you want more heavy overclocking, getting the non-x chip is a better choice. Reason being the x varients "auto-overclock" does a fantastic job. So good that the difference between a manual OC and the "auto oc" is just a difference of 0.1-0.3mhz difference on all cores.

Check out reviews for 2600x and you will see what I mean.

got it so 2600 + Gaming plus


or should i swing back to Intel? i5? as one said....confuse...since now as seen on my right ...i using i5 3570k oc to 4.1

So tentative setup will be
( from existing)
GTX970
1 x 500GB SSD from samsung
1 x 480GB SSD
1 x 1 TB WD Black

Already bot
KLEVV BOLT DDR4 8G 3000MHz 1.35V Unbuffered DIMM GAMING MEMORY
Superflower Silver ECO 600W
Techware Nexus
IDC-FROSTFLOW+240

Left

Decision for M/B and CPU AMD vs Intel

If got $ then

M2 SSD

 

[croc1977]

den get 2700

reason is if get 1700 the price i can get if almost similar 2600x with board ...$20 more

 

[croc1977]

Frostbite games love cores/threads BF4 used 9/16 threads while BFV used all 16

not BF3/4 but Star wars one

 

[-Grift-]

not BF3/4 but Star wars one

All using frostbite 3 and built by DICE ah

 

[singupingu]

reason is if get 1700 the price i can get if almost similar 2600x with board ...$20 more

Bear in mind, Ryzen 1st gen memory compatibility is weaker, though the ram you bought can run at 2933mhz with the latest BIOS most likely without any complication.

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[croc1977]

Bear in mind, Ryzen 1st gen memory compatibility is weaker, though the ram you bought can run at 2933mhz with the latest BIOS most likely without any complication.

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then i go for 2600 or 2600x....

so which should i go?

 

[singupingu]

2600X imo. Run at stock, save your warranty, piece of mind. No need oc, just push the ram and get going. Higher single core clock speed from XFR2 benefit gaming too.

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[-Synchronicity-]

For me 2600 simply because you already purchased an aio cooler. The 2600x stock cooler is beefer compared to 2600 so that's a moot point for you now. 2600 able to manual OC to 2600x levels

 

[Crooni]

precision boost overdrive doesn't work as intended on msi's b450 due to lack of voltage offset. not to mention the gaming plus has weaker vrm and cooling; ryzen cpus start to draw high wattage above 1.3v.

you can run a 2600/2700x stock on it, but it'll probably draw like 150w at 1.4v on load, which would reduce xfr/boost results and could affect mb durability, defeating the purpose of buying an x chip.

hence it's recommended to go for a x470 mb (better power delivery +feature support) if running a x chip. by comparison those top end x470 will clock to 4.3ghz/1.45v while maintaining safe temps.

realistically one pairs a b450 with a 2600 and do a static overclock to 3.9/4ghz at 1.3v and call it a day.

 

[croc1977]

first set of items arrived

 

[croc1977]

precision boost overdrive doesn't work as intended on msi's b450 due to lack of voltage offset. not to mention the gaming plus has weaker vrm and cooling; ryzen cpus start to draw high wattage above 1.3v.

you can run a 2600/2700x stock on it, but it'll probably draw like 150w at 1.4v on load, which would reduce xfr/boost results and could affect mb durability, defeating the purpose of buying an x chip.

hence it's recommended to go for a x470 mb (better power delivery +feature support) if running a x chip. by comparison those top end x470 will clock to 4.3ghz/1.45v while maintaining safe temps.

realistically one pairs a b450 with a 2600 and do a static overclock to 3.9/4ghz at 1.3v and call it a day.

so can i say if i buy MSI X470 gaming + with 2600 and OC is better option than MSI B450 gaming plus with 2600x and OC rite?

 

[Crooni]

then that's where binning comes in. the relationship between clockspeed and voltage is not linear.

most 2600 can only do 4.0/4.1ghz on a reasonable voltage like 1.35v (or 1.4v if you fail the lottery), but will not do 4.2ghz. so there's no point in having high power vrms/cooling on a x470.

also, all these will net only a ~5% difference in performance at best. or if you go full 2700x/x470 ~15% difference vs 2600 stock.

so you'll have to judge if spending the extra money is worth it. generally it's better to buy the next tier in cpu or gpu, rather than spend it on overclocking.

if you have a budget just stick to it.

 

[croc1977]

then that's where binning comes in. the relationship between clockspeed and voltage is not linear.

most 2600 can only do 4.0/4.1ghz on a reasonable voltage like 1.35v (or 1.4v if you fail the lottery), but will not do 4.2ghz. so there's no point in having high power vrms/cooling on a x470.

also, all these will net only a ~5% difference in performance at best. or if you go full 2700x/x470 ~15% difference vs 2600 stock.

so you'll have to judge if spending the extra money is worth it. generally it's better to buy the next tier in cpu or gpu, rather than spend it on overclocking.

if you have a budget just stick to it.

so stick with

1) MSI x470 with 2600?
or
2) MSI B450 with 2600x?

 

[croc1977]

i saw from tradepac got this ssd call tecware....240gb for $69...cant find info of the specs...anyone know or use b4?

 

[xonix]

i saw from tradepac got this ssd call tecware....240gb for $69...cant find info of the specs...anyone know or use b4?

in house brand.

 

[singupingu]

i saw from tradepac got this ssd call tecware....240gb for $69...cant find info of the specs...anyone know or use b4?

Expects Sandisk like performance. About 400 MBps read, 300+ MBps write. Which is the slower kind of ssd.

Tecware is known to take in OEM stuff, rebrand and sell.

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[croc1977]

Expects Sandisk like performance. About 400 MBps read, 300+ MBps write. Which is the slower kind of ssd.

Tecware is known to take in OEM stuff, rebrand and sell.

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that why so cheap