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the best time recently was last march 2020. now, any time is a good time. dun time the market because no one can predict the future.
 

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Just DCA. Can sleep better at night.. now also got Syfe promo for existing customers get $30 if DCA at least 500 for 6 months right?
 

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i realized the fact sheet for iEdge Sreit Leaders index has 26 REITS.

However Syfe only has 20 REITs in REITS+ portfolio..

Anyone knows the reason for excluding 6 REITS?

Syfe REIT+ is a Singapore REIT portfolio that tracks the SGX’s iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index. The index measures the performance of the most liquid REITs in Singapore.

REIT+ invests in 20 of Singapore’s largest REITs. Designed for investors seeking passive income, you’ll get exposure to REITs like Mapletree Commercial Trust, CapitaLand Integrated Commercial Trust, Ascendas REIT and more.

As to their exact rationale, not mentioned.
 

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i see. so it does not seek to fully track the index then. a little bit of active than passive
 

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as i mentioend abv, i m rather disapted w Syfe reits, anyone still holding to this blindly?

the last column is Syfe! nt Only it cant outperform the rest , it is with too MUch volatility! too much
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blindly imitatg the Iedge doesnt help! https://www.sgx.com/indices/products/sreitlsp#Product Information

some ask why m i wdrawg / transf out of my SYfe reits?
which is why i told u i will cut Reits More
I m slowly shifting out some portion out of syfe




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So you're using one years worth of data, collated by a direct competitor, and using that as the reason for moving out of reits+?

Just one question. Instead of one years worth of data, have you done your own due diligence to at least track how the various funds have been doing over the past 5, 10, 20 years?

Disclaimer: I actually intend to move out of reits+, but for an entirely different reason altogether.
 

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So you're using one years worth of data, collated by a direct competitor, and using that as the reason for moving out of reits+?

Just one question. Instead of one years worth of data, have you done your own due diligence to at least track how the various funds have been doing over the past 5, 10, 20 years?

Disclaimer: I actually intend to move out of reits+, but for an entirely different reason altogether.
agreed..
Endowus has gotten rather agressive lately in bashing their competitors.
including nasty remark at FSMone when they reduce their fees to 0.30%. not very professional.
 

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diff pp has diff needs & profile, to ea his own
Why is there a need to find a same reason?
Who has nt done their due diligence/ some funds r Not evn 1 yr old
 

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as i mentioend abv, i m rather disapted w Syfe reits, anyone still holding to this blindly?

the last column is Syfe! nt Only it cant outperform the rest , it is with too MUch volatility! too much
image-1.png

blindly imitatg the Iedge doesnt help! https://www.sgx.com/indices/products/sreitlsp#Product Information

some ask why m i wdrawg / transf out of my SYfe reits?






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interestingly none of the active fund managed to outperform MSCI US Reits Index of 38.1% 1Y return ending 30-June.
Probably that’s why benchmark was mentioned but not the benchmark return.
 

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So you're using one years worth of data, collated by a direct competitor, and using that as the reason for moving out of reits+?

Just one question. Instead of one years worth of data, have you done your own due diligence to at least track how the various funds have been doing over the past 5, 10, 20 years?

Disclaimer: I actually intend to move out of reits+, but for an entirely different reason altogether.

That's true. Quite biased of them to share the funds' performance that way, they might just have downselected funds based on recent outperformance. I think in general the consensus is that beyond broad based equities market, active management from fund managers do better than index, passive investing.

Sure S&P 500 or MSCI ACWI is hard to best consistently long term, but when it comes to fixed income investing or even something like emerging market, sector specific investing, having an active manager is more likely to bring in better returns

agreed..
Endowus has gotten rather agressive lately in bashing their competitors.
including nasty remark at FSMone when they reduce their fees to 0.30%. not very professional.

Where is it at? I want to see see look look and jiak popcorn lol. I rather have more cut throat competition than playing nice and not delivering/articulating value. I can see the aggression quite a few times by Endowus... Got a webinar at safra with other robos... The Endowus boss no give face just critique the pooled investment structure and active asset allocation of syfe and stashaway.
 

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some of them r just Apac or Euro focused nt fair to compare w 1 pure US Reits MSCi? & i believe the horizon is More than 3yr-5 or Longer
 

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That's true. Quite biased of them to share the funds' performance that way, they might just have downselected funds based on recent outperformance. I think in general the consensus is that beyond broad based equities market, active management from fund managers do better than index, passive investing.

Sure S&P 500 or MSCI ACWI is hard to best consistently long term, but when it comes to fixed income investing or even something like emerging market, sector specific investing, having an active manager is more likely to bring in better returns



Where is it at? I want to see see look look and jiak popcorn lol. I rather have more cut throat competition than playing nice and not delivering/articulating value. I can see the aggression quite a few times by Endowus... Got a webinar at safra with other robos... The Endowus boss no give face just critique the pooled investment structure and active asset allocation of syfe and stashaway.
if you look at their slide on outperformance of active fund managers- the % of outperformance has dropped from 3% to 1% across 1 to 7 yrs. this has only proven one thing. it’s hard for active manager to outperform over the long run. if you project it out to 10-15 yrs, probably underperformance starts to show up.
 

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some of them r just Apac or Euro focused nt fair to compare w 1 pure US Reits MSCi? & i believe the horizon is More than 3yr-5 or Longer
best approach is to show the benchmark returns so that investor would know if the fund indeed outperform.

Nonetheless, if the context is to show that investing in overseas REITS can delivery better return at lower/comparable volatility.
1Y return is a very weak argument if not misleading to investors.

MSCI China has performed much better in 2020 than S&P 500 with 30%+ return. But that does not guarantee/reflect it’s performance in 2021 or over the long term.
 
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