Thinning Hair problem

[Isopropyl]

greyzone:

Oil does block follicles but that does not cause hairloss. the hair follicles blocking causing hairloss is an old theory of the pass in early 80's. you might heard of the Helsinki formula which base on this theory uses polysorbate 80 to clear the follicles and DHT on the scalp. polysorbate 80 might have some hair grow properties, but certainly not because of it follicles clearing way. some suggest it might be due to it can cause realease of histamine. but no one really know for sure does it do anything at all. such formula come and go along now and then.

if block follicles really is the cause of hairloss, why only top of your head loses hair? doesn't the side of your head produce sebum too? also, that mean people who does not wash their hair daily eventually loses their hair due to oil build up? clearly that not the case.

any shampoo will clear sebum. what so special about nizoral is it reduce the production of sebum which is why it is being suggested that nizoral have anti-DHT properties. that more important as it is the DHT under your follicles which cause hairloss but not those on your scalp.

 

[JimmyHand]

Hey Greyzone, thanks for sharing. May i ask what anti-DHT shampoo are you using right now? Do you also take oral med like fin of dut?

 

[Stallone]

is there really anti DHT shampoo? how can shamppo, something which is applied on ur hair for less than 5min, have any effect on DHT?

 

[JimmyHand]

Yo Iso, thanks again for the answer. Hopefully fin works for me, if not i would need to jump to dut.
Been on proscar for about 3 weeks, notices "slight" lesser hair loss during shampoo(hope it's not my illusion). But hair at the crown area still thin. Guess i need to be patient for the med to take full effect before i draw any concrete conclusion.

Actually i must admit the first time i read about fincar i was quite skeptical. Guess it's becos it is not under FDA approval and the fact that it is made in India. But lately being reading reviews that it is not in anyway inferior to proscar, and the fact that it is cheaper than proscar, has perhaps change my conception towards it.(Ya cheap b*stard, whatever)

If Iso has been importing fincar online, I don't see any problem if i order them from Inhouse right? And the amazing thing is shipping is free, registered post some more. Thanks for the link Iso.

 

[JimmyHand]

generally, it is safe to have children regardless of gender. there are some report which i didn't really pay attention on is that such drug will reduce quality of sperm. most of the time, you will recover once you stop taking the pills. how true is it i not sure as i not into having children so i didn't pay attention to it haha... but don't worry too much. alot of people on fin have healthy babies.

To add on your points,
In any case that u have a pregnant woman in your house, be careful not to have her expose to fin. Exposed to even powder might have consequences. Esp applies to those cutting proscar/fincar.
And i have also read semen exposed to fin powder might have complications too. Need verification on this.

 

[greyzone]

ISO,

Exactly my point mate. I didn't say that oil is the main cause of hair loss. I was pointing to DHT which has an effect on the activity of the oil glands. Overtime the effects of too much oil production of the sebaceous glands will block the follicles producing fine hairs instead of thick and dark ones. Eventually this will clog the follicles stopping it from growing hair which leads to hair loss. This process involves the DHT that's why I said oil clogging the follicles leading to hair loss is only partly true because the main culprit is DHT.

The reason why the sides and back of the hair are not affected by hair loss is because of genetics. Hair on the front, above the temples, top of scalp and crown can all be DHT receptive, depending on your genetic coding. The hair follicles on the back and lower sides of the head do not attract DHT. Hence, no DHT on follicles no overactivity of the oil glands.

I do agree on your comment regarding Nizoral reducing the activity of the sebaceous glands thus reducing sebum production. However, I believe that the reason why people consider Nizoral as an anti-DHT is because Ketoconazole which is the main ingredient in Nizoral acts as a relatively mild anti-androgen.

 

[greyzone]

is there really anti DHT shampoo? how can shamppo, something which is applied on ur hair for less than 5min, have any effect on DHT?

I just coined the phrase "anti-DHT shampoo" because of Nizoral's anti-DHT propeties (and because it's shampoo-based). I don't think there really is an anti-DHT shampoo but I believe some shampoos may have anti-DHT properties.

By the way, I leave Nizoral on my hair for 5 minutes before I wash it.

Hey Greyzone, thanks for sharing. May i ask what anti-DHT shampoo are you using right now? Do you also take oral med like fin of dut?

Please see reply above for the anti-DHT shampoo. I don't use oral meds Jimmy. As much as possible I don't want to take hair loss meds internally because of the side effects. I'm not ready yet to give up my "essence" because of finasteride (if you know what I mean) or lower my blood pressure too much.

But I believe that the best way to combat hair loss is by combining well-known and proven products together, e.g. minoxidil and finasteride. I just started using 5% minox w/ nizoral. Looks promising though because my scalp is not that oily today or maybe because I'm using minox foam which is not greasy. Anyways, see how it goes. Will post my results so I can share it with all of you.

 

[usernamebarley]

ISO and JimmyHand, thanks for the reply

just realised that there is a generic brand for nizoral from CIPLA which is known as Zinoral but nowhere seems to be selling them.
http://www.cipla.com/admin.php?mode=prod&action=disp&id=1853

Checking nizoral on inhousepharmacy, it is about the same or higher cost than those sell in sg.
Msia will be cheaper but how much cheaper, any ideas anyone?
and is there online store?

ISO, you mentioned there is a generic brand for nizoral which you saw at a supermarket.
what brand and which supermarket did you see it at ah? cant find the post again, sorry.

many thanks for all the reply.
so the sperm of a fin user has no effect on the foetus?

 

[JimmyHand]

so the sperm of a fin user has no effect on the foetus?

Nothing was stated as a side-effect in that manner for fin, so feel free to spread your seed

 

[usernamebarley]

Nothing was stated as a side-effect in that manner for fin, so feel free to spread your seed

hahas. okays! lets spread the love. thanks thanks.

 

[Isopropyl]

greyzone:

not only clogged follicles is not the main cause of MPB, it not even to be consider significant. there is simply not a single credible bit of science behind this myth.

point to me any good science behind this theory if you know of any other than theory. i will be happy to know that MPB is cause by getting something struck in your pore. i will be simply washing my hair more often to gain back all my hair.

the clogged pore theory have been around for a long time and have been refuted long ago. go to any reputable hairloss forums and do some search. this topic have been discuss countless time.

to save me from going over the theory here, just google "clog pore hair loss myth".

 

[adrtech]

Isopropyl, are u taking dut now? from ur previous post, i think u r taking right.

if so, u r taking one pill everyday? as from the net, i can see that dut reduce dht much more than fin. but what is ur dosage?

 

[Isopropyl]

Isopropyl, are u taking dut now? from ur previous post, i think u r taking right.

if so, u r taking one pill everyday? as from the net, i can see that dut reduce dht much more than fin. but what is ur dosage?

yes, i am taking dut. taking just 2pills per week now.

my dosage should have the effect of about 5mg of fin daily.

 

[Stallone]

wad's the full name of dut aR?

any side effects like propecia??

iso only take 2 pills per week, the pill is very strong aR?

 

[adrtech]

wad's the full name of dut aR?

any side effects like propecia??

iso only take 2 pills per week, the pill is very strong aR?

Dutasteride.

same side effects.

currently brand is called avodart. manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline. not approved for hair loss yet, still under studying.

why dut should be better is ; Avodart® is the new medication from GlaxoSmithKline for reducing DHT. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is the main hormone linked to hairloss. Propecia® prevents one of two enzymes from being converted into DHT and blocks 2/3 of the DHT production. The new medication Avodart® blocks both enzymes in the body that convert into DHT and reduces overall DHT production by over 93%.
Avodart® at this dosage reduced DHT by 93.1-93.6% after 12-months on the medication. Scalp DHT was decreased 38% for Propecia®/Finasteride compared to 54% for 0.5mg Dutasteride.

 

[CoffeeKing]

Generic Nizoral ?

just bought a bottle of Nitozol shampoo (manufactured by Korea Pharma) at the Unity pharmacy at AMK hub. Contains the same active ingredient as Nizoral, 2% Ketoconazole. Cost only $13.20 for a 120ml bottle.
Anyone tried it ? Should works equally well as Nizoral, right ?

 

[kain11sg]

yes, i am taking dut. taking just 2pills per week now.

my dosage should have the effect of about 5mg of fin daily.

Hi Iso juz wanna ask u a qn
I've been using propecia for 4.5 mths already. Although there is noticably fewer hairloss i.e. 5 hair on pillow + 5X2 each shower, I am still experiencing overall hairloss. Shld I switch over to dut or do u tink I shld wait longer to c whether propecia is enough for my condition tat is able to maintain my hair volume.
Thanks

 

[greyzone]

Isopropyl:

Clearly, you are missing my point mate. If you have read my post, I never mentioned that clogging of the follicles is the MAIN reason for hairloss. I was merely saying that DHT is involved in this process. Bottom line as per my previous posts, DHT is the reason why we are losing hair. I bet you wouldn't contend that.

 

[greyzone]

just bought a bottle of Nitozol shampoo (manufactured by Korea Pharma) at the Unity pharmacy at AMK hub. Contains the same active ingredient as Nizoral, 2% Ketoconazole. Cost only $13.20 for a 120ml bottle.
Anyone tried it ? Should works equally well as Nizoral, right ?

Should be ok, thats's cheap mate. My Nizoral is $21 from Guardian. I'll buy the generic one next time. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Rushifaa]

Query: Does anyone uses any hair conditioner...?
Will it help or will it make it worst...?

Anyone knows...?