VIVIFI

[chaiscool]

VIVIFI BINGE 50GB/70GB

[Free 30GB for non-Singtel port-in]

Binge 50GB: 80GB at $18
Binge 70GB: 100GB at $25


For this plan. does it mean after 12 months. is forever $18 for 50GB?

Should be, up to them lol. Promo link

7. The management reserves the right to amend the terms and conditions at their sole discretion without prior notice.

 

[gapboy]

VIVIFI BINGE 50GB/70GB

[Free 30GB for non-Singtel port-in]

Binge 50GB: 80GB at $18
Binge 70GB: 100GB at $25


For this plan. does it mean after 12 months. is forever $18 for 50GB?

point 5 states:
5. The bonus 30GB is applicable for 12 months only.

only their promo with "forever" is valid forever

 

[anthonygreenisreal]

Doesn’t matter much since i should be hopping to other MVNO before the 12 month is up. And maybe hop back again when new/better promo is up.

 

[Yihaoong]

Doesn’t matter much since i should be hopping to other MVNO before the 12 month is up. And maybe hop back again when new/better promo is up.

SingTel mvno expect telco bills to rise within the next 12months.

 

[SibehHL]

SingTel mvno expect telco bills to rise within the next 12months.

please share source, thanks.

 

[Yihaoong]

please share source, thanks.

Expect ! = Will

Plans are design according to market rate.

 

[SibehHL]

Expect ! = Will

Plans are design according to market rate.

Expect = Will??? Whose decision? Yours or MVNO? If MVNO, kindly share source??

 

[Yihaoong]

Eh you don't know what is ! = please go Google.

What source?
So offensive meh to you?

There is no price lock forever on most singtel mvno.. Why harrr? Maybe attending a business course will help u understand more on how the market works..
Look at the tnc in XXXX mvno and you will see it "plans depends on the market", "plan are limited to 12 months only", "thereafter xxGB/month"

Don't come bark at source like a little kid. Please Google again!

! = (not equal)
So don't put words in my mouth.
Telco expect price to increase but its just expectation right?

Oh yes u want sause? Curry? Ok I give u mine... Here is your curry Sourcesssssssss..

Just Last month
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/wat...rise-telcos-offer-more-5g-plans-video-2469361
Nevertheless coming back to the topic, they are always trying to earn more whenever is possibl, that's why 12 months price lock is introduced which are so common today. If the market stay, u may (may not) get to renew it for another 12 months. Simpler.

As a tech yourself which you check out tpg telegram group and hwz forum, u should have learn and know more about telco moving towards others source of income. This includes digital bank, ads, selling insurance on their apps itself. Don't come out source source source.

This look so badddd bruhhh

 

[SibehHL]

The long long story still doesn't explained which Singtel MVNO expects phone bill to rise within next 12 months... Market Watchers ≠ Singtel MVNO

 

[anthonygreenisreal]

Chill Bro. Means it hasn’t happened yet. No need the violence And long essay.

 

[Yihaoong]

The long long story still doesn't explained which Singtel MVNO expects phone bill to rise within next 12 months... Market Watchers ≠ Singtel MVNO

Across 3 traffic telco, they started rising their plans. CIS no longer get 40 to 45% discount too.

 

[Yihaoong]

Chill Bro. Means it hasn’t happened yet. No need the violence And long essay.

Not say didn't happen. 3 main telco started to increase price.

 

[vsvs24]

Not say didn't happen. 3 main telco started to increase price.

All the more need to switch to MNVO.

Traffic light need to justify to shareholders. Plus they need to spend investment on 5G. MNVO so far not listed I think.

 

[SibehHL]

3 Main Telcos ≠ Singtel MVNO. "Rising phone bills due to 5G in the next 12 months" doesn't affect people who are still on 4G/LTE plans which most of the MVNOs are providing.

Not being as "well read" as some who takes HWZ forum & Telegram Groups as their main source of Real News, I'd only seen MVNO offering better data & talk time bundles to date, which is a good thing for consumers.

Anyway, we can continue this topic discussion on another thread if wished as this thread is about Vivifi and should stay that way.

 

[shawnng]

3 Main Telcos ≠ Singtel MVNO. "Rising phone bills due to 5G in the next 12 months" doesn't affect people who are still on 4G/LTE plans which most of the MVNOs are providing.

Not being as "well read" as some who takes HWZ forum & Telegram Groups as their main source of Real News, I'd only seen MVNO offering better data & talk time bundles to date, which is a good thing for consumers.

Anyway, we can continue this topic discussion on another thread if wished as this thread is about Vivifi and should stay that way.

SibeiHL he is not wrong.
We have $3.99, $6.90, $8, $10 plan. I have to agree that all this plan will come to an end when the main telco increase their price.

Data Center running cost is huge, coming to maintenance it will cost a bomb.

 

[firesong]

I think it's reasonable to expect prices to increase over the next few years. They already signalled that in the Business Times article some months back (dated 6 Oct 2021) that telcos are not profiting from provision of mobile services.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/co...prise-as-their-tussle-for-singapore-consumers
First, the GST will rise over the next 2 years so it's already expected increases. It's much more than the 1% for us because the telcos also have to pay additional 1% for everything else, and that is passed on to us consumers to bear.

Also, the main traffic light telcos are spending money on capex because of 5G. Eventually, some costs have to be passed on to the MVNOs leasing their networks. As rightly pointed out, the main MNOs have to answer to shareholders, and shareholders will of course question why they don't raise costs on MVNO partners too, since any profits = more money for shareholders. If you put yourself in the shoes of those who stand to gain and look from their POV, it's quite a natural conclusion.

Also, I expect some form of deprioritisation of 4G traffic once 5G becomes mainstream. They did exactly that with 2G and 3G respectively. I know a few of those who stuck on 3G plans refusing to give up their 12GB entitlements and they complained about slowing 3G speeds over time - I had long moved to 4G because of the iPhone and how convenient it was to speedily access data on the go. In fact, I won't be surprised that they start to replace 4G towers with 5G SA towers to improve 5G connectivity for customers who are more profitable to them - they have no incentives to maintain a slower network for low-paying customers. It's all to push 4G customers to higher paying 5G plans.

 

[lohsenglte]

I think it's reasonable to expect prices to increase over the next few years. They already signalled that in the Business Times article some months back (dated 6 Oct 2021) that telcos are not profiting from provision of mobile services.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/co...prise-as-their-tussle-for-singapore-consumers
First, the GST will rise over the next 2 years so it's already expected increases. It's much more than the 1% for us because the telcos also have to pay additional 1% for everything else, and that is passed on to us consumers to bear.

Also, the main traffic light telcos are spending money on capex because of 5G. Eventually, some costs have to be passed on to the MVNOs leasing their networks. As rightly pointed out, the main MNOs have to answer to shareholders, and shareholders will of course question why they don't raise costs on MVNO partners too, since any profits = more money for shareholders. If you put yourself in the shoes of those who stand to gain and look from their POV, it's quite a natural conclusion.

Also, I expect some form of deprioritisation of 4G traffic once 5G becomes mainstream. They did exactly that with 2G and 3G respectively. I know a few of those who stuck on 3G plans refusing to give up their 12GB entitlements and they complained about slowing 3G speeds over time - I had long moved to 4G because of the iPhone and how convenient it was to speedily access data on the go. In fact, I won't be surprised that they start to replace 4G towers with 5G SA towers to improve 5G connectivity for customers who are more profitable to them - they have no incentives to maintain a slower network for low-paying customers. It's all to push 4G customers to higher paying 5G plans.

The deprioritization can also come in the form of DSS now too.

LTE Band 8, 3 and 7 will still be anchor bands for Big Three, but don't be surprised if Band 7 (FDD 2600) is partially refarmed to connect to Band 38 (TDD 2600), and use for 5GNR SA.

LTE Band 40 (2300MHz) might be split into LTE and 5GNR segments for TPG, as this is the "coverage" band for 5GNR. They do not have 700MHz (Band 28) rights, and the spectrum allocated for Band 8 is probably way too little to split for LTE and 5GNR.

WCDMA Band 8 seems to be discontinued for StarHub and M1, since the inbuilding coverage requirements for 3G has been waived. Only SingTel still use it for now, but it's possible they can remove once they added support for VoLTE.

mmWave is just impractical for nationwide use.

In fact, going forward, don't be surprised if this is the setup for a while:
- WCDMA 2100 (Band 1)
- LTE 900 (Band 8) / 1800 (Band 3) / 2600 (Band 7) / 2300 (Band 40)
- 5GNR 700 (Band n28) / 2100 (Band n1) / 2600 (Band n7 + n38) / 3500 (Band n78) / 2300 (Band n40)

 

[Yihaoong]

I think it's reasonable to expect prices to increase over the next few years. They already signalled that in the Business Times article some months back (dated 6 Oct 2021) that telcos are not profiting from provision of mobile services.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/co...prise-as-their-tussle-for-singapore-consumers
First, the GST will rise over the next 2 years so it's already expected increases. It's much more than the 1% for us because the telcos also have to pay additional 1% for everything else, and that is passed on to us consumers to bear.

Also, the main traffic light telcos are spending money on capex because of 5G. Eventually, some costs have to be passed on to the MVNOs leasing their networks. As rightly pointed out, the main MNOs have to answer to shareholders, and shareholders will of course question why they don't raise costs on MVNO partners too, since any profits = more money for shareholders. If you put yourself in the shoes of those who stand to gain and look from their POV, it's quite a natural conclusion.

Also, I expect some form of deprioritisation of 4G traffic once 5G becomes mainstream. They did exactly that with 2G and 3G respectively. I know a few of those who stuck on 3G plans refusing to give up their 12GB entitlements and they complained about slowing 3G speeds over time - I had long moved to 4G because of the iPhone and how convenient it was to speedily access data on the go. In fact, I won't be surprised that they start to replace 4G towers with 5G SA towers to improve 5G connectivity for customers who are more profitable to them - they have no incentives to maintain a slower network for low-paying customers. It's all to push 4G customers to higher paying 5G plans.

Thanks for being so detailed.

 

[SibehHL]

I think it's reasonable to expect prices to increase over the next few years. They already signalled that in the Business Times article some months back (dated 6 Oct 2021) that telcos are not profiting from provision of mobile services.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/co...prise-as-their-tussle-for-singapore-consumers

Agreed that 4G will be phased out eventually like 3G and prices can go up or down for 4G or 5G over the next few years depending on the market without considering GST increment (don't mix GST and price plans, one is a definite and the other a variable)

However, the timeline as many including your good self has stated in this forum, is somewhere in 2025 and many actually cast doubt if this is even achievable. Telcos can't force consumers to migrate until services are provided.

As for Telco having to answer to their share holders, the days of Telcos make huge profits providing basic calls & sms are over whether share holders like it or not, venturing into other business modes such as payment (Singtel Dash) is their way out. So it is not going to change much unless all 4 main Telcos conspire to raise price plans but that will be illegal. Reduction of 4G towers won't happen until the 5G network is providing a certain percentage of coverage and it won't be soon.

12 months is not a long time considering we have bear with the COVID situation for longer than 2 years, so we shall see if rising prices within the next 12 months is urban myth or gospel truth?

 

[firesong]

Yep. We just have to wait and see. But the big 3 appear to be signalling cost increases with their other offerings for a while now (eg, Broadband, TV), with M1 the slowest to increase (they don't do triple play, so we can't compare any video offerings). It's only a matter of time that mobile will go that way.

While 5G is not yet fully deployed, the capex is happening now. "Spend extra money, must earn back that money spent" is a very simple idea that anyone can understand, and businesses are all about making money.

There's also a case to be made - that they kept prices low because of Covid, but now that the government's signalling we're out of the woods (notice there's more chatter about more numbers of unemployment going down, inflation slowing down, etc in the news), and with areas like public transportation and food already raising costs, telcos will naturally want in on the extra earnings too. It's just simple business.

Also, cost increases take many forms. While the dollars and cents may stay the same, giving a user less (eg, no Caller ID and charging for it) is already a cost increase to the consumer. I only hope we don't get both - have seen a few hawker stalls that both raise prices and shrink their portions, and that's definitely a way to raise profits.

But again, we just wait and see. It's end March 2021, and in some 9 months' time, there will most likely be a price increase across the board because of the GST increase.

Edit: Corrected poor phrasing that was unclear.