jogging and motivation thread

[WussRedXLi]

 

[WussRedXLi]

 

[sph777]

Seem like my new shoe is tight and I loosen it my feet is ok liao
But not used to this shoe run slowly and muscle feel some strain
Has anyone try running 2 time in a day?

The elite runners if clocking mileage surely have to do 2 a day. Just ask @Kuudere

 

[sph777]

I think the shoes are a bit wide and tripped on the outside sole, landed on my right shoulder. Went x-ray and seems like a tear in the ligament.

Get well soon!

 

[sph777]

my most effective socks to minimize discomfort during ponding in summer are cycling socks. You can try if they fit you well
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Thanks sir! Will add to the list of socks to check out

 

[VonDeVous]

running 2 times a day is not recommended. unless like sph777 said, u are elite clocking milege.
elite example, scroll to 3rd or last picture:


casual runners dont need to run 2 times a day, or even everyday is to too much for casual runner.

 

[WussRedXLi]

my most effective socks to minimize discomfort during ponding in summer are cycling socks. You can try if they fit you well
【淘宝】7天无理由退换 https://e.tb.cn/h.RAxZKDKnsq8cw6l?tk=VWkwgpWs8Hr CZ009 「Liteskin轻云骑行袜马卡龙自行车男女运动袜子马拉松跑步2025」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

Thanks sir! Will add to the list of socks to check out

Interesting....... not sure if it was me who posted before cycling stuff before but it was like quite long ago. Anyway, some amateur triathletes/duathletes do these things of using cycling stuff for running, however is very small group here in SG. Some cycle sockless but i think some also bth.

Modern cycling socks is basically polyester/nylon + elastane (lycra) for stretch, just of different varying percentages and maybe thickness. But those on TB is pretty standard thickness and length, ie pretty thin. Main issue i see, which i do not have, is that these socks are mid calf length, which traditionally pure runners wouldnt like coz the socks squeeze on the calves tighter than usual.....maybe except for those who wants some sort of calf compression as for whatever reason they think this is beneficial to them esp for longer distances. (which i dont do anyway so i have absolutely no idea on the +ves )
But basically, pure runners who prefer ankle socks wont touch these stuff.


A small group of cyclists still are on / love cotton socks. Im talking about the cotton ones, in which some cyclist (those more old style OG types) still use maybe due to "vintage fashion sense/culture" and i do still see on the road. But cyclists more into performance would avoid and use modern synthetic materials like nylon, polyester and elastine.
edit - correction, i have seen relatively young XMMs wearing fashion type cotton socks also. Not sure about that specific culture since i dont join those type of group rides (heck i majority of the time i solo one)


When i reach home in a few hrs time i go measure with my digital caliper what is the thickness.
Can try if interested.

ps. I also run with specific cycling jerseys. Provides good cooling esp when you wet them for eg during TTs, just nice for my 3-5kms distance also. Confirm wont chafe one, that time i run and train 10km in 2023 still nipple pain/chafe with all the running singlets be it china ones or branded Puma ones. After that train T100 duathlon this one just wear and forget......no issue. No need tape no need vasline no nothing, wear and forget. But of coz, same......pure runners wont use.
Others would use trisuit - but not really applicable for me coz i always wanna go toilet type (enlarged prostate) so ....... inconvenient if i use one piece suits so never invest and buy. It's 2 pcs top and bottom for me so that is why can use only the top for running.

 

[Ender]

Maybe muscle memory default to previous shoes. This new one wider so knock into each other.

Get well soon.

Clunky shoes. Avoid.

 

[DigDub]

Clunky shoes. Avoid.

Yea lesson learnt. I try to avoid wide shoes with chunky outsoles now.

 

[WussRedXLi]

I remember back then when nipple tape, you pull out, gg. That's if you have nipple hair...... Unless if you shave.
End result is too much trouble. Vaseline, i mean....some wouldnt mind, but i would. Also must remember to apply if not gg also.

But one thing bad about skin hugging cycling jerseys is that you must be confident in wearing them esp if going to more popular routes/places , but if you do some sort of calisthenic dips/pull ups/push ups or even weights and relatively low body fat, then you are well covered already.

 

[sales69]

Clunky shoes. Avoid.

Ya many shoes now with midsole protruding out from the side and back. For extra support.

But can be hazardous. For eg. narrow steps on some overhead bridge.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Ya many shoes now with midsole protruding out from the side and back. For extra support.

But can be hazardous. For eg. narrow steps on some overhead bridge.

For steps, even back then in 2022 the Novablast 3 already had this issue of the back clipping the vertical surfaces of any steps, be it HDB or overhead or buildings/malls....when you are stepping down. And if the steps are those rough type, like those ones with small gravel patterns, you really can scrape against the vertical wall hard and it makes a loud sound and might even cause you to lose balance.

Before that i dont know, havent started running yet. heh....

 

[sales69]

For steps, even back then in 2022 the Novablast 3 already had this issue of the back clipping the vertical surfaces of any steps, be it HDB or overhead or buildings/malls....when you are stepping down. And if the steps are those rough type, like those ones with small gravel patterns, you really can scrape against the vertical wall hard and it makes a loud sound and might even cause you to lose balance.

Before that i dont know, havent started running yet. heh....

Even since I felled and got slipped disc in 2022, I avoid all stairs when possible. Just take lift or walk longer route.

If die die have to climb stairs, I hold onto side handle like a guniang.

 

[WussRedXLi]

my most effective socks to minimize discomfort during ponding in summer are cycling socks. You can try if they fit you well
【淘宝】7天无理由退换 https://e.tb.cn/h.RAxZKDKnsq8cw6l?tk=VWkwgpWs8Hr CZ009 「Liteskin轻云骑行袜马卡龙自行车男女运动袜子马拉松跑步2025」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

Thanks sir! Will add to the list of socks to check out

Ok i did my aero socks measurements and test.
My cycling socks
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id...oughtlist.suborder_itemtitle.1.47002e8d3r2Lh8


Vs Decathlon 500 series running socks (I think is the 1pc $7.90 type)......

Using digital calipers to measure (more than accurate enough)

Decathlon 500 = 1.5x mm thick.

My aero cycling socks = 1.3x mm thick.


Also tried wetting both up 100% by dunking into water basin and then using my hands to lightly wring dry.
Then hung both side by side on a hanger, with the aero socks being "longer" simply coz the calf section is taller.
The Decathlon RS500 is ankle length mah.

1hr later, my cycling aero sock is noticeably more dry for the sole section vs the Decathon RS500 running sock, and the calf section is totally dry. Not sure how much the moisture wicking (upwards direction, i hung them from the top down ie correct way up).

One more thing, this version of mine has the silicone gripper at the top of the calf section, it is of a poker dot design. I have another type, the horizontal type design, that type my skin got some sensitivity to it.


I think can try xllms' type of socks. Same material type as this one from EVR...which is branded, but not too expensive as well, also can try.

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=911274626745&mi_id=0000XRTi3IQa87_xH-k4bnKWFcclpK3LDTN3NSCD79pgoAE&pvid=7cbc482b-0f46-4598-96ee-bc17076a414a&scm=1007.54964.497407.0&skuId=5942381095240&spm=pc_detail.30350276.201876.d16.609d7c168pMgUE&utparam={"x_object_type":"item","matchType":"dm_interest","item_price":"44.1","umpCalled":true,"pc_scene":"20001","userId":2080944715,"ab_info":"44964#497407#-1#","tpp_buckets":"44964#497407#-1#","aplus_abtest":"f456f20c73590da715fb2c8459d85e4e","isLogin":true,"abid":"0","pc_pvid":"7cbc482b-0f46-4598-96ee-bc17076a414a","isWeekLogin":false,"rn":15,"item_ecpm":0,"ump_price":"44.1","isXClose":false,"x_object_id":911274626745}&xxc=home_recommend

BTW, the calf section of the aero sock is pretty think, basically if you choose the white version it is somewhat translucent. It dries really really fast.....faster than any of my cycling or running apparels.
Can see here :

 

[Kuudere]

The elite runners if clocking mileage surely have to do 2 a day. Just ask @Kuudere

I wouldn’t say I am elite, but competitive amateur runner.

A few points:

1. I don’t think there’s a need to touch doubles until you run 100k week and above.

2. To even hit 100k/week, you need to slowly ramp up. This could take years of incremental running.

3. The next problem is sleep. If you are doing doubles, then how can you get in enough sleep/rest? (ideal is 8 hours or more, 7 hours is the minimum).

4. The problem after this is time. If you have many life commitments, then it interferes with running. Busy job also affects. Doubles consume more time, you have to change out to run twice. If your route has traffic light, then it's double of the traffic lights.

5. The last problem is average run pace. If your average run pace isn’t as fast (5+ min/km), then running long mileage or doubles, will take a lot of time.

6. You need to factor in strength training. Because no way you can sustain 100+km/week without getting in strength work. My solution to this is to focus on building strength during base building (<100k weeks). And then slowly substitute the strength training for running. Gold standard probably be 2 hours of weekly strength training for 100km of running. The more you run, the more strength training you have to do.

Here's comes the plus points:

1. If you work from home, then those days are the realistic days you can slot in doubles.

2. Weekends (the other day that you don't do long run) can be the doubles day. Or public holiday.

3. If you want to do doubles, double recovery runs are good. Don't gek kiang and go do double threshold. Single threshold + second double run. Or long run + second run. All these combinations aren't easy to execute.

4. Most plans, even the pfitz 18 week/70 miles (113 km peak) which is also the sub-3 hour marathon plan, only has 6 out of 18 weeks where they have single week doubles. It's not like every week you run doubles.

5. Take advantage of your annual leaves, 1 day of leave can be used for doubles.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Thanks sir! Will add to the list of socks to check out

Too bad for aquathlon, you cant wear shoes.

For duathlon,. can have that option. In fact for sprint duathlons, some fellas do wear aero socks and running shoes for cycling leg. And they are fast fellas.

This guy 62 this year. 2 years ago i asked his timing, i think if i rem correctly was 2.5km he did best 9:38 timing.
Like 2.5km run, 20km bike (around 39 kmh) and 2.5km run

His parkrun best times in the 17min++ range.

 

[WussRedXLi]

I wouldn’t say I am elite, but competitive amateur runner.

A few points:

1. I don’t think there’s a need to touch doubles until you run 100k week and above.

2. To even hit 100k/week, you need to slowly ramp up. This could take years of incremental running.

3. The next problem is sleep. If you are doing doubles, then how can you get in enough sleep/rest? (ideal is 8 hours or more, 7 hours is the minimum).

4. The problem after this is time. If you have many life commitments, then it interferes with running. Busy job also affects. Doubles consume more time, you have to change out to run twice. If your route has traffic light, then it's double of the traffic lights.

5. The last problem is average run pace. If your average run pace isn’t as fast (5+ min/km), then running long mileage or doubles, will take a lot of time.

6. You need to factor in strength training. Because no way you can sustain 100+km/week without getting in strength work. My solution to this is to focus on building strength during base building (<100k weeks). And then slowly substitute the strength training for running. Gold standard probably be 2 hours of weekly strength training for 100km of running. The more you run, the more strength training you have to do.

Here's comes the plus points:

1. If you work from home, then those days are the realistic days you can slot in doubles.

2. Weekends (the other day that you don't do long run) can be the doubles day. Or public holiday.

3. If you want to do doubles, double recovery runs are good. Don't gek kiang and go do double threshold. Single threshold + second double run. Or long run + second run. All these combinations aren't easy to execute.

4. Most plans, even the pfitz 18 week/70 miles (113 km peak) which is also the sub-3 hour marathon plan, only has 6 out of 18 weeks where they have single week doubles. It's not like every week you run doubles.

5. Take advantage of your annual leaves, 1 day of leave can be used for doubles.

Got close to 3hr boh ?

 

[WussRedXLi]

Talking about upping weekly volume

 

[Mecisteus]

Even since I felled and got slipped disc in 2022, I avoid all stairs when possible. Just take lift or walk longer route.

If die die have to climb stairs, I hold onto side handle like a guniang.

I've been climbing stairs up and down daily since covid. Its a good leg exercise for me as I can skip at the gym.

Yes for safety, don't run on stairs, no mobile phone and climb near the railing.

 

[Ender]

Ok i did my aero socks measurements and test.
My cycling socks
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id...oughtlist.suborder_itemtitle.1.47002e8d3r2Lh8


Vs Decathlon 500 series running socks (I think is the 1pc $7.90 type)......

Using digital calipers to measure (more than accurate enough)

Decathlon 500 = 1.5x mm thick.

My aero cycling socks = 1.3x mm thick.


Also tried wetting both up 100% by dunking into water basin and then using my hands to lightly wring dry.
Then hung both side by side on a hanger, with the aero socks being "longer" simply coz the calf section is taller.
The Decathlon RS500 is ankle length mah.

1hr later, my cycling aero sock is noticeably more dry for the sole section vs the Decathon RS500 running sock, and the calf section is totally dry. Not sure how much the moisture wicking (upwards direction, i hung them from the top down ie correct way up).

One more thing, this version of mine has the silicone gripper at the top of the calf section, it is of a poker dot design. I have another type, the horizontal type design, that type my skin got some sensitivity to it.


I think can try xllms' type of socks. Same material type as this one from EVR...which is branded, but not too expensive as well, also can try.

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=911274626745&mi_id=0000XRTi3IQa87_xH-k4bnKWFcclpK3LDTN3NSCD79pgoAE&pvid=7cbc482b-0f46-4598-96ee-bc17076a414a&scm=1007.54964.497407.0&skuId=5942381095240&spm=pc_detail.30350276.201876.d16.609d7c168pMgUE&utparam={"x_object_type":"item","matchType":"dm_interest","item_price":"44.1","umpCalled":true,"pc_scene":"20001","userId":2080944715,"ab_info":"44964#497407#-1#","tpp_buckets":"44964#497407#-1#","aplus_abtest":"f456f20c73590da715fb2c8459d85e4e","isLogin":true,"abid":"0","pc_pvid":"7cbc482b-0f46-4598-96ee-bc17076a414a","isWeekLogin":false,"rn":15,"item_ecpm":0,"ump_price":"44.1","isXClose":false,"x_object_id":911274626745}&xxc=home_recommend

BTW, the calf section of the aero sock is pretty think, basically if you choose the white version it is somewhat translucent. It dries really really fast.....faster than any of my cycling or running apparels.
Can see here :

Didn't know cycling socks can be so thin like translucent. I think this may work for heavy sweater. Just don't like calve length socks.