Proposal Ring - Part 3

[CaptainFantastic]

JannPaul didn't have the setting I had in mind while I was browsing through their catalog. So after watching some videos I came across this video from Fire and Brillance which was very close to what i wanted! Quickly email Casey the video and he roped in Paul to help design my ring!

Here's the video that i saw

Paul explain to me how this ring design is actually quite dated and has several bad points

1) The design is old fashion
2) The surfaces are flat which are bad at reflecting light
3) The prongs are too tall which has durability issues if you knock into hard surface
4) The band is reversed tapered which actually makes the diamond look smaller

Overall the setting is not durable and does not do the diamond the justice that it deserves!

So I told Paul that I wanted the prongs to lift the diamond such that I can see the pavilion from all sides, tapered ring and with sharp prong tips. Paul was very understand and gave me suggestions on how the ring design can help accentuate the diamond which we are all interested in

Not long after, Paul told me that my gf's ring size coincidentally is exactly the same size that he is using for his behind the scene research project that he is doing for testing of 3D lighting using ray tracing! In case you don't know ray tracing, it is the calculation of light reflection from a reflective surface. So imagine a SIC with 57 facets aka mirrors! That is a lot of internal reflection that needs to be computed to render. Paul told me even with his pc using 4 2080TIs they are running at full load while rendering.

So after a week of designing and rendering, Paul showed me 3 different design and of which the 3rd design he rendered in his 3D project. Take a look!

Paul's suggestion was to go for the 3rd ring which I totally agree as it very beautiful. Casey also helped to hyper render it into images!

So the waiting time is 6 weeks! Can't wait to see the ring in person, in the mean time I asked for a wax model of the ring for memorabilia which will take a week to print.

Really thankful how Casey and Paul have gone above and beyond my expectations. The amount of effort and dedication is a real testament to show how much they believe in their product and how much they put their customers first. If this doesn't convince you I don't know what will!

Nice ring! Looks impressive! Is the hand model ring video the same as your ring design? Never seen this kind of video from them before. Like your thin band.

 

[origiri]

Nice ring! Looks impressive! Is the hand model ring video the same as your ring design? Never seen this kind of video from them before. Like your thin band.

Yes it is! This is also the first time that I'm seeing this kind of video. Paul said he doesn't do this as it is for his own research and takes a lot of time up to several days to render.

But since the ring size he usually test with is the exact same as my gf's, he decided to test it out to show me how the light interacts with my diamond and white gold setting.

So in that video he took a 3D scan of my diamond and together made a 3D render of the ring setting. After which he put it on a 3D model's hand which under a plain diffuse light to mimic office lighting! Really awesome stuff!

 

[freewilly5000]

Hi all, I accompanied my friend to Jannpaul and didnt know about all these Cut stuff back then. I sat thru the session with my friend and started to learn how the cutting affects the diamond. I borrowed their asat scope to see my diamond ring, and saw that there is all these light leakages inside I see already heartache. I was told by the previous shop that this was suppose to be an Ideal cut. But I always felt my diamond wasn't as shiny compared to my friends and assumed that it was because of the Color (mine is a G color) or it was just dirty.

This is the asat photo of my ring. I also realised the prongs are not very symmetrical and the workmanship is quite bad. I saw the livestream crafting videos of Jannpaul and the workmanship is so much better.

I took a photo of their Superideal cut with the same size, color and clarity grades (0.31 G VVS2) to compare side by side with mine. They look so so different.. Haiz.. if only we knew back then. Now there's so much regret. Summore the price we paid for our diamond is about the same price as their Superideal.... so much regret now. It doesnt look like an Ideal cut at all... When I compare it next to the Superideal cut, one looks white and bright, and the other looks dark and yucky. Really wish I found this thread before..

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the diamond ring my bf gave me and this ring does not change my love for him. It's only that I wish it would be a better cut diamond. I'm half decided to buy the same diamond in Superideal myself and doing it in the same design and not telling my bf. Then the old diamond, I'll change it into a pendant or bracelet design.

If you guys were in my shoes, would you just change yourself without telling your bf?

I think this is something that you have to talk to him about. It will be worse if he discovers it years later when you service your ring and stuff. And at that point, it will be more devastating to him. Plus I'm sure he didnt intentionally buy you a less ideal ring. I mean who in the right mind would want to purposely by a lousier ring for their gf right? At that point of time, I'm sure he was as clueless as you was and did the best he knew.

I suggest talking to him and bring him down to JP for the diamond lesson to see the difference himself. He might want to change the diamond himself knowing that you're uncomfortable with your current ring. Talk it out

 

[freewilly5000]

Yes it is! This is also the first time that I'm seeing this kind of video. Paul said he doesn't do this as it is for his own research and takes a lot of time up to several days to render.

But since the ring size he usually test with is the exact same as my gf's, he decided to test it out to show me how the light interacts with my diamond and white gold setting.

So in that video he took a 3D scan of my diamond and together made a 3D render of the ring setting. After which he put it on a 3D model's hand which under a plain diffuse light to mimic office lighting! Really awesome stuff!

Wah. So lucky! Paul as in the one from JannPaul? You can tell your gf next time that Paul himself was involved in your ring. haha

 

[KinoChoco]

I think this is something that you have to talk to him about. It will be worse if he discovers it years later when you service your ring and stuff. And at that point, it will be more devastating to him. Plus I'm sure he didnt intentionally buy you a less ideal ring. I mean who in the right mind would want to purposely by a lousier ring for their gf right? At that point of time, I'm sure he was as clueless as you was and did the best he knew.

I suggest talking to him and bring him down to JP for the diamond lesson to see the difference himself. He might want to change the diamond himself knowing that you're uncomfortable with your current ring. Talk it out

You will be surprised at the number of guys who gets a lousier ring to save cost, there are even many guys whom are considering to convince their partner to get diamond alternatives for the low cost.

But yes, never attempt to change the diamond secretly, that’s a really bad move.

 

[origiri]

Wah. So lucky! Paul as in the one from JannPaul? You can tell your gf next time that Paul himself was involved in your ring. haha

Yes it's the man himself! Which is unexpected since mine is only a 0.6 carat.

I told him that I didn't expect both Casey and Paul who are Partners to help me and he said that regardless of what size you get from JannPaul, a customer is still a customer. Really outstanding customer service from JannPaul!

 

[freewilly5000]

Yes it's the man himself! Which is unexpected since mine is only a 0.6 carat.

I told him that I didn't expect both Casey and Paul who are Partners to help me and he said that regardless of what size you get from JannPaul, a customer is still a customer. Really outstanding customer service from JannPaul!

How did you manage access to Casey and Paul as well? Man that **** looks realistic as hell. I know Paul handles all the research backend.

 

[spLeenfuL]

How did you manage access to Casey and Paul as well? Man that **** looks realistic as hell. I know Paul handles all the research backend.

Paul is like a ghost in JannPaul. He does all the research and development as far as I was told.

 

[origiri]

How did you manage access to Casey and Paul as well? Man that **** looks realistic as hell. I know Paul handles all the research backend.

By pure coincidence! For my 1st session I was served by Samuel and for my 2nd session as Samuel was in a meeting I was then served by Casey! So I guess Casey then took over as my specialist since that was our last session.

From there Casey got Paul to help out in the ring design! Really lucky to be able to have two Partners helping me out. They are extremely responsive and hardworking, updating me even past midnight!

 

[lloydycutlet]

You will be surprised at the number of guys who gets a lousier ring to save cost, there are even many guys whom are considering to convince their partner to get diamond alternatives for the low cost.

But yes, never attempt to change the diamond secretly, that’s a really bad move.

You’re absolutely right. I really wanted a cushion brellia from JP. I was proposed with a round diamond he bought from somewhere else instead, that I can tell is all messy.. I can even see the arrows all broken and messy no matter how straight on I look at it.

It’s a bigger carat size than what I wanted. I mean I went down with him to JP, I really liked it. I never asked for something bigger with a lousier cut. Okay I shouldn’t rant but as a girl, I want to put it out there I want my diamond to be bright and sparkly. I don’t know what’s the obsession with size.. the round I have right now just looks obiang

 

[tostring]

Our ring is finally ready! What do you guys think?

EDIT: I do not have enough posts to show imgs and video, can someone post for me?

youtube.com/watch?v=SG4wxMxcpEs&feature=emb_logo

That's a quick snap of the ring on her finger, the arrows look beautiful

imgur.com/OEJoKOj

 

[origiri]

Our ring is finally ready! What do you guys think?

EDIT: I do not have enough posts to show imgs and video, can someone post for me?

That's a quick snap of the ring on her finger, the arrows look beautiful

Help you embed. Really beautiful ring! I like the side diamonds! What size is your diamond?

As always, such great craftsmanship from Miyabi. Casey also has arranged a crafting video for me. Can't wait to see it after seeing yours!

 

[tostring]

Help you embed. Really beautiful ring! I like the side diamonds! What size is your diamond?

As always, such great craftsmanship from Miyabi. Casey also has arranged a crafting video for me. Can't wait to see it after seeing yours!

Thanks a lot for helping me embedding! The size of the ring is 1.59c

Yeah the video is a nice touch, overall very impressed by the service!

 

[ThiamWan]

Our ring is finally ready! What do you guys think?

EDIT: I do not have enough posts to show imgs and video, can someone post for me?

youtube.com/watch?v=SG4wxMxcpEs&feature=emb_logo

That's a quick snap of the ring on her finger, the arrows look beautiful

imgur.com/OEJoKOj

Holy cr*p! That is fine ring! The detailing and workmanship of it is amazing. I’m suddenly seeing so many nice rings from JP. I had to watch the video afew time to see the fine details. I saw the livestream of their crafter Miyabi. I think they’re streaming it on a regular basis now. You shld watch how he mounts the ring. He keeps checking and checking and checking. It takes him over an hour just to mount the main diamond. I can’t imagine how long it took him to mount all your smaller ones. The way I see him set the diamonds, I wonder how long it took him to reach that level man.

 

[Butterscotch28]

Hi Experts,

Please let me know what do you guys think of this diamond?

https://imgur.com/a/lmBImD3

Should I be bothered by the fact that the crown angle doesn't fall within the range (34-35deg) for Super Ideal Cut's proportion?

Anything else that I should look out for?

Appreciate your views on this diamond.

Thanks in advanced for your advice

 

[origiri]

Hi Experts,

Please let me know what do you guys think of this diamond?

https://imgur.com/a/lmBImD3

Should I be bothered by the fact that the crown angle doesn't fall within the range (34-35deg) for Super Ideal Cut's proportion?

Anything else that I should look out for?

Appreciate your views on this diamond.

Thanks in advanced for your advice

I'm not an expert but the ASET looks really good because of the strong light return. In any case, all diamonds has to pass their stringent criteria to qualify as SIC so no need to be too fixated on the proportions. How much is this diamond?

 

[CutiePie84]

Hi all, I accompanied my friend to Jannpaul and didnt know about all these Cut stuff back then. I sat thru the session with my friend and started to learn how the cutting affects the diamond. I borrowed their asat scope to see my diamond ring, and saw that there is all these light leakages inside I see already heartache. I was told by the previous shop that this was suppose to be an Ideal cut. But I always felt my diamond wasn't as shiny compared to my friends and assumed that it was because of the Color (mine is a G color) or it was just dirty.

This is the asat photo of my ring. I also realised the prongs are not very symmetrical and the workmanship is quite bad. I saw the livestream crafting videos of Jannpaul and the workmanship is so much better.

I took a photo of their Superideal cut with the same size, color and clarity grades (0.31 G VVS2) to compare side by side with mine. They look so so different.. Haiz.. if only we knew back then. Now there's so much regret. Summore the price we paid for our diamond is about the same price as their Superideal.... so much regret now. It doesnt look like an Ideal cut at all... When I compare it next to the Superideal cut, one looks white and bright, and the other looks dark and yucky. Really wish I found this thread before..

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the diamond ring my bf gave me and this ring does not change my love for him. It's only that I wish it would be a better cut diamond. I'm half decided to buy the same diamond in Superideal myself and doing it in the same design and not telling my bf. Then the old diamond, I'll change it into a pendant or bracelet design.

If you guys were in my shoes, would you just change yourself without telling your bf?

Sadly, you're not the first person I know in this same situation. I have friends that bought ''Super Ideal cuts'' or ''Ideal cuts'' before but only realizing its not the case after all later. These label terms are often used as marketing gimmicks by other sellers to entice customers to believe that they are getting the real deal. I myself experienced a seller trying to sell me a ''Super Ideal cut'' diamond without the scopes and he kept uptalking the diamond. When I insisted that I will only make a deposit after I verify it with the ASET scope, the ASET scope miraculously appeared and true enough, it had crooked arrows and light leakages.

My friend tried to complain to CASE before but also no use. They ask him to settle it privately with the seller. There isn't a law that protects us consumers on this as its too undefined.

If I was in your shoe, I will discuss it with your bf. Show the shop the ASET and tell him what they sold you is not even an Ideal and ask for them to change for a better one. Although it's very unlikely they will do it, but it's worth a shot trying.

 

[CutiePie84]

Hi Experts,

Please let me know what do you guys think of this diamond?

https://imgur.com/a/lmBImD3

Should I be bothered by the fact that the crown angle doesn't fall within the range (34-35deg) for Super Ideal Cut's proportion?

Anything else that I should look out for?

Appreciate your views on this diamond.

Thanks in advanced for your advice

Uploaded your scopes.
The crown 33.5 is in the Super Ideal cut proportion range. The crown range should be 33-35, depending on the pavilion angle. Your pavilion is 41. If you combine it with a 35 crown, it would actually be bad. The crown needs to be more shallow to balance out the steeper 41 pavilion. I checked your diamond
HCA score is 1.0 which is within the good range and your scopes are great. You can't go wrong with JannPaul, they're known for their super high standards.

 

[Butterscotch28]

I'm not an expert but the ASET looks really good because of the strong light return. In any case, all diamonds has to pass their stringent criteria to qualify as SIC so no need to be too fixated on the proportions. How much is this diamond?

Thanks origiri for your input. This is $5.2k. That’s what I was told that if it comes from JP, it can’t go wrong. But because I usually refer to a table with the proportions number so I was a bit concerned with the crown angle.

 

[Butterscotch28]

Uploaded your scopes.
The crown 33.5 is in the Super Ideal cut proportion range. The crown range should be 33-35, depending on the pavilion angle. Your pavilion is 41. If you combine it with a 35 crown, it would actually be bad. The crown needs to be more shallow to balance out the steeper 41 pavilion. I checked your diamond
HCA score is 1.0 which is within the good range and your scopes are great. You can't go wrong with JannPaul, they're known for their super high standards.

Thanks CutiePie84 for your input. Really appreciate your help in uploading my scopes And thanks for helping me to check the HCA score (I don’t really know what this is for except I was told I can use it to eliminate my selection of diamonds of the same specifications).

As I usually refer to a table with the proportions number so I was a bit concerned with the crown angle, but I feel more relieved after your explanation. May I know where do you check for the Super Ideal Cut proportions for all angles?

The table that I referred to stated that the crown angle for Super Ideal Cut should fall between 34 - 35 and the pavilion angle should fall between 40.6 - 41. So the steeper the pavilion, the shallower the crown angle?

Thank you once again