SIMBA Fibre Broadband

[sacredrays]

Does simba use cgnat?

yes.

 

[xiaofan]

Discussions on the upcoming acqusition of M1 Telco business (Mobile and Fibre Internet) by SIMBA.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/m1-fibre-broadband-discussion-part-2.5658375/page-842 (Page 842/843/...).

Maybe it will be a good one for SIMBA users -- CGNAT may well be gone.

 

[froztheart]

Discussions on the upcoming acqusition of M1 Telco business (Mobile and Fibre Internet) by SIMBA.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/m1-fibre-broadband-discussion-part-2.5658375/page-842 (Page 842/843/...).

Maybe it will be a good one for SIMBA users -- CGNAT may well be gone.

Hopefully provide static IP VAS option etc. too.
Revamp and more flexbility since there's definitely market demand for such services.

 

[BBCWatcher]

Hopefully provide static IP VAS option etc. too.
Revamp and more flexbility since there's definitely market demand for such services.

M1 discontinued static IPv4 addresses for new residential subscribers some time ago, although existing subscribers can keep paying for their static IPv4 address assignments if they wish.

The bigger open question in my view is whether M1 subscribers will finally get something better than their IPv6 /64 assignments. Oddly enough SIMBA fibre broadband subscribers get the #1 best IPv6 assignments in Singapore: /61 blocks. That’s still ridiculous; it should be minimum /56. But /61 (which yields 8 blocks of /64) is better than what M1 subscribers get.

If IMDA happens to be reading this, how about including a condition that SIMBA-M1 must follow APNIC’s IPv6 best practices (specifically, assign each subscriber a minimum /56 IPv6 block) within 12 months of transaction completion?

 

[froztheart]

M1 discontinued static IPv4 addresses for new residential subscribers some time ago, although existing subscribers can keep paying for their static IPv4 address assignments if they wish.

The bigger open question in my view is whether M1 subscribers will finally get something better than their IPv6 /64 assignments. Oddly enough SIMBA fibre broadband subscribers get the #1 best IPv6 assignments in Singapore: /61 blocks. That’s still ridiculous; it should be minimum /56. But /61 (which yields 8 blocks of /64) is better than what M1 subscribers get.

If IMDA happens to be reading this, how about including a condition that SIMBA-M1 must follow APNIC’s IPv6 best practices (specifically, assign each subscriber a minimum /56 IPv6 block) within 12 months of transaction completion?

Agreed, if the M&A is approve, IMDA should start to have such T&C and have SG telcos move to follow such best practices.
Otherwise, there will never be changes with how our telcos operate and IMDA sitting on things and leaving to "free market" as the usual excuse.

 

[slash]

Is this beginning of the end for cheaper broadband?

If there's one contender lesser, and Simba gained more market share, no need to squeeze margin liaoz...

 

[Jurong640]

Is this beginning of the end for cheaper broadband?

If there's one contender lesser, and Simba gained more market share, no need to squeeze margin liaoz...

unlikely, Simba BB customers is still pretty low. They need more base first. And our broadband and mobile data prices in Singapore are pretty cheap, other neighbouring countries are much more expensive. We are more wired up and there is no reason to up prices so much.

 

[Nakedtoes]

Likely after this will use sim card and router.. No more wasting money on home broadband anymore.

 

[froztheart]

Likely after this will use sim card and router.. No more wasting money on home broadband anymore.

General usage still okay, anything that is critical - fibre still the most "reliable".

 

[Jirachi]

General usage still okay, anything that is critical - fibre still the most "reliable".

Agree

 

[BBCWatcher]

General usage still okay, anything that is critical - fibre still the most "reliable".

You could have two mobile lines on two different networks — and with a lower total cost than a single fibre connection. Seniors (age 60+) can get 2 mobile lines for only S$10 per 30 days (one on SIMBA, one on Eight which uses StarHub's 4G network), for example. Single and even multiple fibre broadband connections (since the physical cables to your home are rarely physically separated) sometimes go out of service. It depends on what you're trying to achieve and at what cost.

 

[xiaofan]

1. Effective pricing for new users -- you can see that SIMBA 10Gbps is not really cheaper than M1, if you take into consideration of the bundled free wireless router.
https://www.m1.com.sg/home-broadband
https://simba.sg/broadband

M1 6Gbps at S$36.90 per month with free TP-Link Archer BE805 (worth at about S$300)
--> effective pricing for basic M1 6Gbps plan without router at S$24.40 per month.

M1 10Gbps at S$50.90 per month with two Asus ZenWiFi BT10 (worth >= S$600)
--> effective pricing for basic M1 10Gbps plan without router at S$25.90 per month.

SIMBA 10Gbps at S$29.99 per 30 days with free D-Link DPN-BE7212GR (worth at about S$179), S$61.04 NLT charge.
--> effective price for basic SIMBA 10Gbps plan without router at about S$25.08 per month.

D-Link DPN-BE7212GR is not as good as TP-Link HB710 (from Starhub) which is worth at about S$192.

2. References
1) SIMBA 10Gbps pricing:

10Gbps Broadband
FREE WiFi 7 Router & Home Phone Line
2-year contract (720 days)
FREE D-Link WiFi 7 router (worth $399) --> this one cannot compare with Archer BE805 at all.
FREE Home Phone Line (worth $25)
FREE Device Installation (worth $50) --> no more free NLT change (S$61.
FREE ONU (worth $198)
$29.99/30 days
with GST

2) SIMBA PWP router offer
D-Link DPN-BE7212GR: $179 (RRP $399)
eero Max 7: $399 (RRP $799)

3) M1 PWP router offer
Two Asus ZenWiFi BT10 -- S$504 (S$21/month x 24 months)
Archer BE805: S$360 (but lower if you buy from outside)

 

[froztheart]

You could have two mobile lines on two different networks — and with a lower total cost than a single fibre connection. Seniors (age 60+) can get 2 mobile lines for only S$10 per 30 days (one on SIMBA, one on Eight which uses StarHub's 4G network), for example. Single and even multiple fibre broadband connections (since the physical cables to your home are rarely physically separated) sometimes go out of service. It depends on what you're trying to achieve and at what cost.

Agreed, but Fibre ultimately still trounce Mobile 5G anytime for now, though on cost front yes, Mobile 5G beats Fibre.

 

[BBCWatcher]

Agreed, but Fibre ultimately still trounce Mobile 5G anytime for now, though on cost front yes, Mobile 5G beats Fibre.

It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If for example you're trying to assure some network connectivity availability then having two mobile lines on two different networks is probably going to beat one fibre broadline line. "One size does not fit all."

 

[froztheart]

It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If for example you're trying to assure some network connectivity availability then having two mobile lines on two different networks is probably going to beat one fibre broadline line. "One size does not fit all."

If you're talking about availability, yes.
But stability wise, Fibre, and can achieve the same with 2 different networks/ISP.
Then comes the costing wise ultimately, which will determine the choice for individual's needs.

 

[BBCWatcher]

If you're talking about availability, yes.
But stability wise, Fibre, and can achieve the same with 2 different networks/ISP.
Then comes the costing wise ultimately, which will determine the choice for individual's needs.

Unfortunately you won't get "path redundancy" to your home with two fibre network subscriptions. If for example someone decides to dig up or otherwise disrupt the fibre cabling to your home, the odds are high you'll lose both connections (and for a substantial amount of time).

 

[loganrunning]

Unfortunately you won't get "path redundancy" to your home with two fibre network subscriptions. If for example someone decides to dig up or otherwise disrupt the fibre cabling to your home, the odds are high you'll lose both connections (and for a substantial amount of time).

yup. recently nlt upgraded my neighbourhood. everyone lost connectivity for a day. didn't matter which isp, it was fair and neutral, everyone.

 

[froztheart]

Unfortunately you won't get "path redundancy" to your home with two fibre network subscriptions. If for example someone decides to dig up or otherwise disrupt the fibre cabling to your home, the odds are high you'll lose both connections (and for a substantial amount of time).

yup. recently nlt upgraded my neighbourhood. everyone lost connectivity for a day. didn't matter which isp, it was fair and neutral, everyone.

This one is extereme case, which is caused by NLT that is uncontrollable by end user.
Talking about redundancy and stability, having 2 different ISP is better than having 2 Mobile 5G lines.
But, if want to ensure maximum uptime availability and stability, is to have redundancy with 2 ISP & 2 Mobile 5G.

 

[loganrunning]

This one is extereme case, which is caused by NLT that is uncontrollable by end user.

also uncontrollable by isp

Talking about redundancy and stability, having 2 different ISP is better than having 2 Mobile 5G lines.
But, if want to ensure maximum uptime availability and stability, is to have redundancy with 2 ISP & 2 Mobile 5G.

fair point about 2 isp + 2 mobile lines. i need some downtime, so i only have mobile as backup (for personal use, since not re-imbursed). on outage day, wfh and say no connection.

 

[BBCWatcher]

This one is extereme case....

If you're trying to reach particular availability goals, you prepare for the "extreme" cases.