WIFI Mesh VS AP

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I appreciate your information but I’d like to understand what’s actually going on. For example, let’s talk about channels. Again I’m saying this based on what I read on the internet. I don’t want to quote urls here so as to keep it short.

I read that a mesh network uses the same channel throughout the network and hence it’s like all devices share the same lane on the highway. Not good for bandwidth. But channels on the APs, on the other hand, can be set individually and they should be set to different channels to avoid interference. But others say they should be set to the same channel to facilitate roaming.

I think you read too much wrong information on the internet.

You can learn more about mesh here. Hope it can answer your question about mesh vs AP, at least from consumer mesh and consumer AP point of view.
https://dongknows.com/mesh-wi-fi-system-explained/

But if you want understand the internals of consumer mesh netowrking (or small enterprise APs), then you may have to spend much more time -- I do not claim to know the internals myself, as I am just a user and not a professional in this field.

You need to have something to play with first, reading too much without playing with the real stuff is kind of useless in reality.

From Dongknows article: he is more talking from a consumer mesh solution point of view.
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In a mesh with wireless backhauling, each satellite unit of the system is essentially a centrally managed Wi-Fi extender. In a mesh with wired backhauling, each satellite unit of the system is essentially a centrally managed access point.

The biggest difference between a mesh system and using multiple individually managed broadcasters is that the former gives you better ease of use, low (or no) interference between broadcasters, and seamless handoff, while the latter doesn’t.
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I think you read too much wrong information on the internet.

You can learn more about mesh here. Hope it can answer your question about mesh vs AP, at least from consumer mesh and consumer AP point of view.
https://dongknows.com/mesh-wi-fi-system-explained/
Thanks. I’ve read Dong many many times. He is very good.

For example, Dong says that mesh hardware often uses the connection speed as the base for the hand-off, like 50Mbps, and this is the reason why in specific mesh setups, devices are more clingy to a far mesh node - they don't reach the speed threshold required for the jump yet.

Then I read from Asus website in setting up a mesh and it says:
3. Locate the Roaming Assistant Setting; you'll note that there's a default value already in place, something like -70 dBm.
4. Change the value to a new number that fits your situation -- more on this below.
However, generally, you should keep the dBm value between -60 (more sensitive, clients favor fast speeds and roam faster) and -75 (less sensitive, clients tend to remain to the original broadcaster).

Important note: If you make the roaming too sensitive, a device placed in the middle of two nodes of the same signal strength (or weakness) might have problems staying connected -- it might keep jumping between the two.

Perhaps roaming depends on both the speed threshold and the dBm level? I don’t know. And the question is how do I fix these in AP vs wired mesh setup? When I ask the network contractors, the answer is everything is “auto”. :)

And in a Reddit discussion on seamless roaming, one person said: “If a user connects to one of the APs and wanders to an area with another AP, the device does not seamlessly switch to the AP in the new area, which has a better signal…. As the user above stated, 'dummy AP' is a good way to look at it. When you connect to that AP, you are not able to seamlessly roam between other APs since there's no communication to the other APs about how to handle clients.”

But another user said, “You can absolutely use APs that are just set up with the same name/password without the extra handover and similar features. And the clients will still roam between them.”

That’s a lot more of such apparently conflicting information out there on the internet on handoff, wired mesh vs APs, channel setting

I read these everyday. As I said, maybe it’s my understanding that is poor but they don’t sound the same to me.

And I know it’s best I try it out myself. However, I have to buy the equipment first before trying but that would defeat the purpose of trying to find out what works best for me before buying.

Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate the sharing by the community here. I hope someday when I know enough I can also help other people facing the same issue I’m dealing with now.
 

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There is no difference of Asus AX router and ZenWiFI lines -- both can form AIMesh. It is just ZenWiFi looks nicer with internal antenna. You setup AImesh the same way, no matter it is RT-AX55/56U/58U/82U or ZenWiFi XD4/XD5/XD6S/XD6.

I mentioned two aritcles about Asus AImesh, please read them and you should understand Asus AImesh better.

Asus AImesh setup guide: you can see they do not really differentiate ZenWiFI from normal Asus AImesh compatible routers.
https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1035087/
https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1044151/

Dongknows AImesh article:
https://dongknows.com/asus-aimesh-overview/

In fact, if you do not need the form factor of ZenWiFi, you do not need to use XD4/XD5/XD6S/XD6 -- they have lower wireless performance compared to the corresponding RT-AX55/56U/58U/82U. Other than the form factor, they offer no advantage at all.

ZenWiFi XT8 is not bad (triband solution) and there is no good counterpart in the normal Asus router, maybe RT-AX92U is a closer match. GT-AX11000 is another triband option but it costs higher.
This is very useful. Thank you!

I’m actually more or less sold on Asus AiMesh. Just wasn’t sure which of the combos is best for me.

I’m going to check out the price of this at Sim Lim tomorrow: TUF-AX4200 + 3 nodes of RT-AX55. I just hope that the handoff really works. As Dong said, seamless handoff is a hit and miss thing. He also said not to take seamless handoff too literally as devices still need to disconnect from one node to connect to another, but it would be quite unnoticeable.

Then I’m going to try and figure out the channel thing to maximise the bandwidth.
 
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I appreciate your information but I’d like to understand what’s actually going on. For example, let’s talk about channels. Again I’m saying this based on what I read on the internet. I don’t want to quote urls here so as to keep it short.

I read that a mesh network uses the same channel throughout the network and hence it’s like all devices share the same lane on the highway. Not good for bandwidth. But channels on the APs, on the other hand, can be set individually and they should be set to different channels to avoid interference. But others say they should be set to the same channel to facilitate roaming.

Hence I wanted to understand more about wired mesh vs AP mode.

When I asked network contractors who can set up the network for me about this, their answer is everything is “auto” which may mean they don’t know how it actually works, especially when I press them for an answer.

If the internet is consistent in what they say about wired mesh vs APs, I won’t be asking the question here. Unfortunately the internet says it differently.

I’m guessing that maybe all these network people are actually saying the seam thing but because of my lack of knowledge, I understand them to be different. So I’m trying to learn here.

A pair of Asus XT8 or a trio of XD5 would likely be sufficient for my EA and I know they are as easy as simply turning them on to get them all connected. But I just want to understand more about how they are set up, and if I go with the TUF-AX4200 + 2 or 3 nodes of RT-AX55 solution, how would I set up the AX55 since they are not mesh nodes by default. Could I set them up as APs? Then what about the channels?

But thanks for sharing about your EA home setup. That helps.

You are fussing about channels and bandwidth within your own flat when the environment is chock full of other routers and other wifi devices all overlapping and interfering with your network, and you can't do a thing about it. And you're concerned about bandwidth within your own home network when what you do will probably never reach the limits of your network, whether wired or wifi.
Do you have tens or hundreds of devices all streaming simultaneously or sending large multi-gb files across the network at the same time within your home?

Asus AIMesh works the same as TP-Link's Deco mesh.
You just set up the main node and all the rest will become satellite nodes.
All share the same SSID and the roaming between nodes will depend on the brand and what features it has to configure the level when it switches nodes. Same for channels.
If there's ethernet, it can be used for backhaul.
If not, one of the wifi bands will be used for backhaul.
You'll probably touch the channels just to use one that is slightly less crowded than the others.

Asus more configurable depending on model/firmware.
Deco doesn't let you do so and automates many things.
 

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This is very useful. Thank you!

I’m actually more or less sold on Asus AiMesh. Just wasn’t sure which of the combos is best for me.

I’m going to check out the price of this at Sim Lim tomorrow: TUF-AX4200 + 3 nodes of RT-AX55. I just hope that the handoff really works. As Dong said, seamless handoff is a hit and miss thing. He also said not to take seamless handoff too literally as devices still need to disconnect from one node to connect to another, but it would be quite unnoticeable.

Then I’m going to try and figure out the channel thing to maximise the bandwidth.

As mentioned, your original plan will work. My only suggestion is to use a better main router, or cheaper nodes like RT-AX55. And I believe two mesh nodes will do, no need three nodes. In fact too many nodes will make roaming a bit worse.

TUF-AX6000 + 2 nodes of Zenwifi XD6 --higher cost option
TUF-AX4200 + 2 nodes of Zenwifi XD5-- lower cost option
TUF-AX4200 + 2 nodes of RT-AX3000P -- low cost option
TUF-AX4200 + 2 nodes of RT-AX55 -- low cost option

I am not good at finding good lobangs so the price below is for your reference.
TUF-AX4200 price is at about S$249 from Challenger.
TUF-AX6000 price is at about S$359 from Challenger.
ZenWiFi XD6 two-pack is at about S$499 from Challenger.
ZenWiFi XD5 two-pack is at about S$349 from Challenger.
RT-AX55 is about S$70 BNIB from Carousell (counterpart of XD4), dumped by M1 users.
RT-AX3000P is about S$80 BNIB from Carousell (counterpart of XD5), dumped by M1 users.

As for AImesh wireless settings, I will say just leave them with default settings initially (including using Smart Connect). Once you have a stable setup, then you can play with the settings.

I tend to think, most likely you would not really get better bandwidth or better roaming compared to the default settings. But it might be fun to play with the settings in Asus routers and tey to understand their meanings.

I do not play with Asus much as I am playing with more advanced things like pfSense/OPNsense/OpenWRT, but not on the wireless side (pfSense/OPNsernse are not good at wireless anyway). I am not using AImesh myself.

I have two home networks.
1) I am using RT-AX86U as the main router for one home network. I played a bit with the wireless settings but not much (using CH60 and 160MHz channel bandwidth for the 5GHz band, disable 2.4GHz band).

2) I am using an older RT-AX82U as a dumb AP for the other home network, with virtualized pfSense/OPNsense/OpenWRT (on an Intel Celeron J4105 mini PC) as the main router OS. I am using basically the default settings for the RT-AX82U AP, Smart Connect ON, CH149 and 80MHz channel bandwidth for the 5GHz band; auto settings and 20MHz channnel bandwidth for the 2.4GHz band.
 
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This is very useful. Thank you!

I’m actually more or less sold on Asus AiMesh. Just wasn’t sure which of the combos is best for me.

I’m going to check out the price of this at Sim Lim tomorrow: TUF-AX4200 + 3 nodes of RT-AX55. I just hope that the handoff really works. As Dong said, seamless handoff is a hit and miss thing. He also said not to take seamless handoff too literally as devices still need to disconnect from one node to connect to another, but it would be quite unnoticeable.

Then I’m going to try and figure out the channel thing to maximise the bandwidth

Your flat is not that big, you're not in a large multi-floor bungalow.
You probably will not know the difference even if your device is tied to something other than the nearest node.

If you suspect you have something clinging on to a farther node and getting slower speeds, just toggle your wifi on n off.

Channels are crowded all the time and their usage is changing all the time too.
You can optimize to use a less crowded one for a short time but other networks will invariably also switch to it when they see it's less crowded, then it's back to square one.
You're worrying over something you have little control over, and tbh you prob will never realise the difference anyway

Wifi 6 OFDMA and MU-MIMO are the biggest differences for me.
 

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You are fussing about channels and bandwidth within your own flat when the environment is chock full of other routers and other wifi devices all overlapping and interfering with your network, and you can't do a thing about it. And you're concerned about bandwidth within your own home network when what you do will probably never reach the limits of your network, whether wired or wifi.
Do you have tens or hundreds of devices all streaming simultaneously or sending large multi-gb files across the network at the same time within your home?

Asus AIMesh works the same as TP-Link's Deco mesh.
You just set up the main node and all the rest will become satellite nodes.
All share the same SSID and the roaming between nodes will depend on the brand and what features it has to configure the level when it switches nodes. Same for channels.
If there's ethernet, it can be used for backhaul.
If not, one of the wifi bands will be used for backhaul.
You'll probably touch the channels just to use one that is slightly less crowded than the others.

Asus more configurable depending on model/firmware.
Deco doesn't let you do so and automates many things.
Don’t have so many devices lah, also not sending gigabytes of files simultaneously.

But it shouldn’t stop us from still trying to get the best speeds we can right? Most people on this forum are trying to do that too.

It’s the same with the argument: we only have a 1 Gbps Internet at home, what’s the point of buying a very expensive AX11000 class router with advertised speeds of up to 11 Gbps?

A speed test from an iPhone at a distance of around 32 feet, will only get us around 450 Mbps (±45 Mbps). Same for iPad Pro. Same for Samsung Galaxy S8. Same for a laptop computer. Same for most wireless clients. Why? Because that is the speed expected from these (2×2 MIMO) devices.

And since in the market there are only 2x2 MIMO clients, even with iPhone 15 and the new Apple Silicon MacBooks. Then why waste money on a 4x4 MIMO AX router?

Well, that’s because it can deliver full speeds to two 2x2 clients simultaneously.

The point I’m making is that with understanding, we can make informed decisions in our purchase.

Another example is router advertising. Understanding MCS Index will help us cut through advertising crap.

For example, an advert for a AC4000 tri-band 3x3 spatial streams router says it supports speed up to 750 (2.4GHz), 1625(5 GHz), and 1625 (5GHz) Mbps.

Sounds very impressive until one realises that for AC routers, the typical channel width used for 5GHz is 80 MHz and at 80MHz 3x3 streams, the max speed of 1625 Mbps is at 1024-QAM which is really not supported by AC routers. A more realistic max speed is 975 Mbps at 64-QAM modulation and coding.

But that’s not all. Going back to what I said above about MIMO, the max speed our wireless client like our iPhone and MacBook won’t be 975 Mbps because they are only 2x2 clients. The realistic max speed for our clients will be 650 Mbps at 64-QAM.

Having an understanding like this helps us buy the kind of router that meets our needs at a price point we want.

Again when I ask network contractor, they only say higher spec router sure better speed. Which is not true because the fastest speed is based on the wireless client.

How then do we determine what bandwidth we need and could realistically achieve at home with a 1Gbps plan?

From Dong: Here's simple math in figuring out which router is good enough.

Take two-thirds of the total 5GHz bandwidth of a router, and that's its ballpark sustained local speed. (I know there are the 2.4GHz and 6GHz bands, too, but the 5GHz is the most popular for now.)

Divide that number by your family members to get an idea of how much bandwidth each will get when everyone is online at the same time.

For example, the Asus RT-AX86U has the top speed on the 5GHz band of 4800 Mbps (160 MHz), or 2400 Mbps (80 MHz) if you're conservative -- most devices don't use 160 MHz.

Consequently, you can expect a sure sustained bandwidth of 1600 Mbps. So if you have four in your family, each will get an allotment of 400 Mbps.

That doesn't mean all of you will connect at that speed or even close, but you'll have an idea of everyone's portion of your network's capacity. Also, note that you can also use the router's 2.4 GHz for some extra bandwidth.

By the way, 400 Mbps is way more than anything you'd need for Internet access, so the RT-AX88U can easily handle a house of dozen or so members and still give everyone speedy access.

Note that this doesn't mean each person will not use more than their bandwidth allotment. A heavy BitTorrent user in a home can hog all the bandwidth, no matter how fast your Internet is. But this is the case where you need the help of QoS.

So again, knowing more can help in purchasing decisions. That’s all I’m saying.
 

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Your flat is not that big, you're not in a large multi-floor bungalow.
You probably will not know the difference even if your device is tied to something other than the nearest node.

If you suspect you have something clinging on to a farther node and getting slower speeds, just toggle your wifi on n off.

Channels are crowded all the time and their usage is changing all the time too.
You can optimize to use a less crowded one for a short time but other networks will invariably also switch to it when they see it's less crowded, then it's back to square one.
You're worrying over something you have little control over, and tbh you prob will never realise the difference anyway

Wifi 6 OFDMA and MU-MIMO are the biggest differences for me.
“If you suspect you have something clinging on to a farther node and getting slower speeds, just toggle your wifi on n off.”

That’s what I’m trying to avoid. And it seems that the promise out there is that it can be done. That’s why all this research. I don’t want to toggle between SSIDs.

And it is a fact I experience everyday that I can be standing next to the router in my MBR and toggling the wifi on and off but my phone still hangs on to the network out in the living room. I have to specifically select the SSID in the MBR.

But a caveat: I’m not using a mesh now so maybe this is expected.
 

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“If you suspect you have something clinging on to a farther node and getting slower speeds, just toggle your wifi on n off.”

That’s what I’m trying to avoid. And it seems that the promise out there is that it can be done. That’s why all this research. I don’t want to toggle between SSIDs.

And it is a fact I experience everyday that I can be standing next to the router in my MBR and toggling the wifi on and off but my phone still hangs on to the network out in the living room. I have to specifically select the SSID in the MBR.

But a caveat: I’m not using a mesh now so maybe this is expected.

You're talking about multiple SSIDs when I've already said there's only ONE single SSID for the mesh network.
There's no need for toggling in daily use.
I have only done it once in the few years I have had this because the node I was nearest to was switched off and my device had connected to the farther node.
I toggle my device wifi off and back on and it connects to the nearest node like it's supposed to.
 

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Don’t have so many devices lah, also not sending gigabytes of files simultaneously.

But it shouldn’t stop us from still trying to get the best speeds we can right? Most people on this forum are trying to do that too.

It’s the same with the argument: we only have a 1 Gbps Internet at home, what’s the point of buying a very expensive AX11000 class router with advertised speeds of up to 11 Gbps?

A speed test from an iPhone at a distance of around 32 feet, will only get us around 450 Mbps (±45 Mbps). Same for iPad Pro. Same for Samsung Galaxy S8. Same for a laptop computer. Same for most wireless clients. Why? Because that is the speed expected from these (2×2 MIMO) devices.

And since in the market there are only 2x2 MIMO clients, even with iPhone 15 and the new Apple Silicon MacBooks. Then why waste money on a 4x4 MIMO AX router?

Well, that’s because it can deliver full speeds to two 2x2 clients simultaneously.

The point I’m making is that with understanding, we can make informed decisions in our purchase.

Another example is router advertising. Understanding MCS Index will help us cut through advertising crap.

For example, an advert for a AC4000 tri-band 3x3 spatial streams router says it supports speed up to 750 (2.4GHz), 1625(5 GHz), and 1625 (5GHz) Mbps.

Sounds very impressive until one realises that for AC routers, the typical channel width used for 5GHz is 80 MHz and at 80MHz 3x3 streams, the max speed of 1625 Mbps is at 1024-QAM which is really not supported by AC routers. A more realistic max speed is 975 Mbps at 64-QAM modulation and coding.

But that’s not all. Going back to what I said above about MIMO, the max speed our wireless client like our iPhone and MacBook won’t be 975 Mbps because they are only 2x2 clients. The realistic max speed for our clients will be 650 Mbps at 64-QAM.

Having an understanding like this helps us buy the kind of router that meets our needs at a price point we want.

Again when I ask network contractor, they only say higher spec router sure better speed. Which is not true because the fastest speed is based on the wireless client.

How then do we determine what bandwidth we need and could realistically achieve at home with a 1Gbps plan?

From Dong: Here's simple math in figuring out which router is good enough.

Take two-thirds of the total 5GHz bandwidth of a router, and that's its ballpark sustained local speed. (I know there are the 2.4GHz and 6GHz bands, too, but the 5GHz is the most popular for now.)

Divide that number by your family members to get an idea of how much bandwidth each will get when everyone is online at the same time.

For example, the Asus RT-AX86U has the top speed on the 5GHz band of 4800 Mbps (160 MHz), or 2400 Mbps (80 MHz) if you're conservative -- most devices don't use 160 MHz.

Consequently, you can expect a sure sustained bandwidth of 1600 Mbps. So if you have four in your family, each will get an allotment of 400 Mbps.

That doesn't mean all of you will connect at that speed or even close, but you'll have an idea of everyone's portion of your network's capacity. Also, note that you can also use the router's 2.4 GHz for some extra bandwidth.

By the way, 400 Mbps is way more than anything you'd need for Internet access, so the RT-AX88U can easily handle a house of dozen or so members and still give everyone speedy access.

Note that this doesn't mean each person will not use more than their bandwidth allotment. A heavy BitTorrent user in a home can hog all the bandwidth, no matter how fast your Internet is. But this is the case where you need the help of QoS.

So again, knowing more can help in purchasing decisions. That’s all I’m saying.

i understand your objective but I see it quite simply now.

Set up a mesh network with whatever devices you choose/buy that you can afford/think is worth it.
6 is more affordable, 6E will give you access to 6Mhz band. 7 coming.
Asus AI Mesh more configurable, Deco less so but cheaper mesh devices.
Use wired backhaul if convenient to free up one of the WiFi bands.
Configure the channels and other WiFi settings for best performance.

I think you're reading too much into Dong's articles and overthinking.
All those calculations are unnecessary and don't necessarily translate to real-world usage experience.
 

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You're talking about multiple SSIDs when I've already said there's only ONE single SSID for the mesh network.
There's no need for toggling in daily use.
I have only done it once in the few years I have had this because the node I was nearest to was switched off and my device had connected to the farther node.
I toggle my device wifi off and back on and it connects to the nearest node like it's supposed to.
I understand that you are talking about a single SSID. It’s good to hear from an actual user like yourself that it works.

I shared earlier a Reddit discussion that says otherwise. Maybe it’s different from yours because the two persons were talking about a single SSID in a AP set up. One guy says handoff works because there is 802.11krv protocol on the nodes while another guys says it works even without the protocol. Confusing


It sounds different from your because yours is a mesh. But then the internet also says a wired mesh is the same as a AP setup. So it’s confusing for non-technical people to figure out.

I did learn that in places where they have a really big house - like the Americans on their farm - it is possible for a wireless client to switch to a nearby AP even without roaming protocols. I realised that it is because the wireless client is so far away from the previous AP that the wireless client is actively looking for a new AP. But in Singapore - unless you stay in landed property with a huge garden like Ridout - we won’t get that kind of drop in signal strength that facilitates seamless handoff.
 

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i understand your objective but I see it quite simply now.

Set up a mesh network with whatever devices you choose/buy that you can afford/think is worth it.
6 is more affordable, 6E will give you access to 6Mhz band. 7 coming.
Asus AI Mesh more configurable, Deco less so but cheaper mesh devices.
Use wired backhaul if convenient to free up one of the WiFi bands.
Configure the channels and other WiFi settings for best performance.

I think you're reading too much into Dong's articles and overthinking.
All those calculations are unnecessary and don't necessarily translate to real-world usage experience.
Thanks! Yes I will go with wired mesh solution since I have already laid cables. Will not do the AP way. And yes, will stick with wifi 6 dual band (read issues with third band). And yes, will have to tinker with channels, threshold and sensitivity later.

I have to be careful in executing this because we are working from home so cannot afford to have the system down. The kids also need the internet for their school.

I’ll likely be getting a network contractor to fix it up and check my Cat 5 cables as well.
 

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"TUF-AX6000 + 2 nodes of Zenwifi XD6 --higher cost option"

I checked the specs for AX6000 and compared it with XD5 and XD6. I have a question about compatibility.

Here are the specs:

Asus TUF AX6000 Wifi 6
External antenna x 6
2.4GHz 4x4
5GHz 4x4
2.0 GHz quad-core processor
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (2.4GHz)
- up to 1148 Mbps 4x4 40MHz 1024-QAM
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (5GHz)
- up to 4804 Mbps 4x4 160MHz 1024-QAM

Asus ZenWiFi XD6 AX5400
Internal antenna x 6
2.4GHz 2x2
5GHz 4x4
1.5 GHz tri-core processor
256 MB Flash
512 MB RAM

Asus Zenwifi XD5 AX3000
Internal antenna x 2
2.4GHz 2x2
5GHz 2x2
1.7 GHz quad-core processor (better than XD6)
128 MB Flash
512 MB RAM

1) The processor for XD5 and XD6 are slower than AX6000. When we put both (AX6000 and XD6) in a mesh, how will the difference in processor speed play out? If I have the XD6 in the bedrooms, that would become a bottleneck I suppose? Or is the difference negligible?

2) Surprisingly, the processor for XD5 is faster than XD6 but the XD6 has more spatial streams. Would you say that more spatial streams is preferred over processor speed?

3) The AX6000 and XD6 match well in terms of spatial streams at the 5GHz band which is what I would mostly use. I only use the 2.4GHz for the printer. I suppose in a mesh setup, band steering is automatic? Which means I might be using 2.4GHz band during roaming. Do you think I should turn off 2.4GHz?

If I can afford the price, I would put AX6000 in the house, one as main router, then two other nodes in the rooms. I did budget up to $1k for this reconfiguration. But the AX6000 is a bit bulky to put in the bedrooms. Anyway, I'll figure it out.
 

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"TUF-AX6000 + 2 nodes of Zenwifi XD6 --higher cost option"

I checked the specs for AX6000 and compared it with XD5 and XD6. I have a question about compatibility.

Here are the specs:

Asus TUF AX6000 Wifi 6
External antenna x 6
2.4GHz 4x4
5GHz 4x4
2.0 GHz quad-core processor
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (2.4GHz)
- up to 1148 Mbps 4x4 40MHz 1024-QAM
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (5GHz)
- up to 4804 Mbps 4x4 160MHz 1024-QAM

Asus ZenWiFi XD6 AX5400
Internal antenna x 6
2.4GHz 2x2
5GHz 4x4
1.5 GHz tri-core processor
256 MB Flash
512 MB RAM

Asus Zenwifi XD5 AX3000
Internal antenna x 2
2.4GHz 2x2
5GHz 2x2
1.7 GHz quad-core processor (better than XD6)
128 MB Flash
512 MB RAM

1) The processor for XD5 and XD6 are slower than AX6000. When we put both (AX6000 and XD6) in a mesh, how will the difference in processor speed play out? If I have the XD6 in the bedrooms, that would become a bottleneck I suppose? Or is the difference negligible?

2) Surprisingly, the processor for XD5 is faster than XD6 but the XD6 has more spatial streams. Would you say that more spatial streams is preferred over processor speed?

3) The AX6000 and XD6 match well in terms of spatial streams at the 5GHz band which is what I would mostly use. I only use the 2.4GHz for the printer. I suppose in a mesh setup, band steering is automatic? Which means I might be using 2.4GHz band during roaming. Do you think I should turn off 2.4GHz?

If I can afford the price, I would put AX6000 in the house, one as main router, then two other nodes in the rooms. I did budget up to $1k for this reconfiguration. But the AX6000 is a bit bulky to put in the bedrooms. Anyway, I'll figure it out.

1) The processor matters for the main router, it does not matter for the mesh nodes.

2) The processor in XD5 (BCM6756) is not much better than the one in XD6 (BCM6750), 200MHz increase does not change much. The extra core is a fake one. The core used in BCM6750/6755/6756 is the main problem -- it is still using 32bit Arm Cortex A7 core.

The CPU (MediaTek Filogic 830) used in TUF-AX4200 and TUF-AX6000 is much better. It is using 64bit Arm Cortex A53 cores. In fact, it matches the performance of BCM4908 CPU used in RT-AX86U and GT-AX11000.

I no longer recommend using RT-AX82U/TUF-AX5400/RT-AX58U/TUF-AX3000/RT-AX56U/etc as the main router (still good as mesh nodes), since TUF-AX4200 has better CPU.

Asus still uses the low end BCM6755 CPU in ZenWiFi XT8, that is the main weak link.

But it is just me, many people will still be fine using them as the main router. I am just saying that TUF-AX4200 is simply better and the cost (about S$249) is lower than RT-AX82U/TUF-AX4200, and not much different from RT-AX58U and TUF-AX3000.

3) It is better to use the default settings when you get start with AImesh. Smart Connect is the default (same SSID for 5GHz and 2.4GHz). You can carry out optimization later.
 

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1) The processor matters for the main router, it does not matter for the mesh nodes.

2) The processor in XD5 (BCM6756) is not much better than the one in XD6 (BCM6750), 200MHz increase does not change much. The extra core is a fake one. The core used in BCM6750/6755/6756 is the main problem -- it is still using 32bit Arm Cortex A7 core.

The CPU (MediaTek Filogic 830) used in TUF-AX4200 and TUF-AX6000 is much better. It is using 64bit Arm Cortex A53 cores. In fact, it matches the performance of BCM4908 CPU used in RT-AX86U and GT-AX11000.

I no longer recommend using RT-AX82U/TUF-AX5400/RT-AX58U/TUF-AX3000/RT-AX56U/etc as the main router (still good as mesh nodes), since TUF-AX4200 has better CPU.

Asus still uses the low end BCM6755 CPU in ZenWiFi XT8, that is the main weak link.

But it is just me, many people will still be fine using them as the main router. I am just saying that TUF-AX4200 is simply better and the cost (about S$249) is lower than RT-AX82U/TUF-AX4200, and not much different from RT-AX58U and TUF-AX3000.

3) It is better to use the default settings when you get start with AImesh. Smart Connect is the default (same SSID for 5GHz and 2.4GHz). You can carry out optimization later.

ok tis! My printer uses on 2.4GHz. In a mesh setup with everything auto, how would I connect my printer to the 2.4GHz wifi and how do I connect my phone or laptop to the printer on 2.4GHz? Will there still be a 2.4GHz SSID when searching for wifi in the mesh system?
 

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ok tis! My printer uses on 2.4GHz. In a mesh setup with everything auto, how would I connect my printer to the 2.4GHz wifi and how do I connect my phone or laptop to the printer on 2.4GHz? Will there still be a 2.4GHz SSID when searching for wifi in the mesh system?

You can use different SSIDs if you want the control. Asus AImesh allows that (TP-Link Deco and Netgear Orbi do not support that).

I will recommend using Smart Connect (single SSID) first to see if it works for you or not. If not then swtich to two SSIDs. I do not have issues with my RT-AX82U which uses single SSID and the 2.4GHz only Brother printer.

For my RT-AX86U network, I do disable 2.4GHz as I want to save some power and 5GHz can cover my full 106sqm 4-room HDB flat (no LAN ports in the rooms).
 

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You can use different SSIDs if you want the control. Asus AImesh allows that (TP-Link Deco and Netgear Orbi do not support that).

I will recommend using Smart Connect (single SSID) first to see if it works for you or not. If not then swtich to two SSIDs. I do not have issues with my RT-AX82U which uses single SSID and the 2.4GHz only Brother printer.

For my RT-AX86U network, I do disable 2.4GHz as I want to save some power and 5GHz can cover my full 106sqm 4-room HDB flat (no LAN ports in the rooms).

I'm also using a Brother laser printer which is 2.4GHz only. Will see how it goes. Thanks!
 

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The CPU (MediaTek Filogic 830) used in TUF-AX4200 and TUF-AX6000 is much better. It is using 64bit Arm Cortex A53 cores. In fact, it matches the performance of BCM4908 CPU used in RT-AX86U and GT-AX11000.
By the way, how did you get information about the processor whether it's 64 or 32 bit? I don't see that in Asus spec sheet for their routers.
 

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