Singtel 10Gbps ZTE F8648P superadmin password.

[xiaofan]

what firmware are you all on? i don't see the option to bridge

1. Did you log in the super-admin account?

User name --> support
Password --> reverse of the root password printed on the ONR.

Hardware Version V2.1
Software Version V2.1.10P5N19
Boot Version V2.1.10P10N5

2. ONR bridging method

Bridging method has not been changed from the very beginning.

Log in the super-admin account:

User name --> support​

Password --> reverse of the root password printed on the ONR.​

Once you log in, click "FastSetting" on the top right to access the briging page.

Set your router in router mode and connect to LAN5 (10G LAN port) and make sure you have internet access in this case (Double NAT).

Click the checkbox LAN5 to bridge the 10G LAN port.

If you lose internet access immediately, bridging failed. Reboot your router to see if it helps. If not, bridging confirm failed. Uncheck the "LAN5" checkbox to recover.

If you still get internet access, most likely your bridging is working. Double check your router WAN side gets public IPv4 address and not private IPv4 address (192.168.1.x). You may need to reboot the router to get the public IPv4 address. If that is the case, congratualtions, bridging is successful.

If bridging is successful, then you cannot access ONR's GUI 192.168.1.254 any more from your own router connect to the bridged LAN port. But you can connect your computer to the unbridged ONR LAN port to access the ONR Web UI at 192.168.1.254. The ONR itself actually still has internet access but somehow your computer cannot access the internet when connected to the unbridged LAN port.

3. ONR Bridging behaviour

1) Initially it was very easy to bridge, and the unbridged ports will still have Internet Access

2) Then with new FW, bridging became not working in August 2024, you would lose internet imediately.

Hardware Version V2.1​

Software Version V2.1.10P5N19​

Boot Version V2.1.10P10N5​

3) Then it became possible again for some users, the unbridged ports will not have internet access. Some users still can not bridge the ONR. No idea why the differences, even with the same ONR HW/FW revision.

 

[poland_ball]

Interestingly today I tried to bridge Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR Port 5 only and it works fine, as you mentioned, only port is 5 working, other LAN ports got no internet at all (even though Singtel ONR still got a vliad public IPv4 address). So this is kind of different from last time.

BTW, I have cancelled my Singtel TV service as it is really not used much in the past three years.

I am using Asus TUF-BE6500 (quad 2.5G ports) for now as the main router -- so only using the 5Gbps service as 2.5Gbps plan. But yes the TUF-BE6500 gets a public IPv4 address. IPv6 also works (native IPv6 using DHCPv6).

This is encouraging news! So if you bridge port 5 and connect your own router to it, it can get a public IPV4 and V6 address? Meanwhile the ONR also has another IPV4 address?

Just curious if you did the release address and reboot ONR thing that was recommended by stanleywoon also. Hopefully this is a sign that singtel is allowing bridging on its fibre plans. If that is the case might be the time to go hunting for a wifi7 router.

 

[xiaofan]

This is encouraging news! So if you bridge port 5 and connect your own router to it, it can get a public IPV4 and V6 address? Meanwhile the ONR also has another IPV4 address?

Just curious if you did the release address and reboot ONR thing that was recommended by stanleywoon also. Hopefully this is a sign that singtel is allowing bridging on its fibre plans. If that is the case might be the time to go hunting for a wifi7 router.

Yes I can get public IPv4 and IPv6 with my own router (tested TUF-BE6500 first, now changed to virtual OpenWRT running on a 10G capable Intel N100 mini PC).

I did not need to do the "release/reboot" myself. However, release (or release/reboot) will help to get a new IPv4 address for the ONR (but not IPv6). In any case, somehow device connected to the unbridged port can not access Internet. This means I can not have two independent networks as of now.

Still YMMV since other users had tried the same procedure and could not get bridging to work. Same for me previously.

If you are not with Singtel yet, better avoid Singtel if you do not want to use ONR.

 

[poland_ball]

Yes I can get public IPv4 and IPv6 with my own router (tested TUF-BE6500 first, now changed to virtual OpenWRT running on a 10G capable Intel N100 mini PC).

I did not need to do the "release/reboot" myself. However, release (or release/reboot) will help to get a new IPv4 address for the ONR (but not IPv6). In any case, somehow device connected to the unbridged port can not access Internet. This means I can not have two independent networks as of now.

Still YMMV since other users had tried the same procedure and could not get bridging to work. Same for me previously.

If you are not with Singtel yet, better avoid Singtel if you do not want to use ONR.

Already stuck with SingTel since my dad went to sign up without my knowledge. Trying to make the best out of a bad situation now. Got things working almost the same with ddns and Tailscale. But would be even better if I didn’t have internal routing done on provider equipment. Not too keen on double nat either.

 

[xiaofan]

Already stuck with SingTel since my dad went to sign up without my knowledge. Trying to make the best out of a bad situation now. Got things working almost the same with ddns and Tailscale. But would be even better if I didn’t have internal routing done on provider equipment. Not too keen on double nat either.

I see. In that case, just try it to see if bridging works for you or not.

It is recoverable if you choose to bridge ONR Port 5 and it does not work --> just uncheck the checkbox and you should be fine.

 

[stanleywoon]

This is encouraging news! So if you bridge port 5 and connect your own router to it, it can get a public IPV4 and V6 address? Meanwhile the ONR also has another IPV4 address?

Just curious if you did the release address and reboot ONR thing that was recommended by stanleywoon also. Hopefully this is a sign that singtel is allowing bridging on its fibre plans. If that is the case might be the time to go hunting for a wifi7 router.

Working well for both ipv4 and native ipv6 mode..

 

[poland_ball]

Working well for both ipv4 and native ipv6 mode..

Weird that their own ONR doesn't support/get assigned an ipv6 address yet when bridge mode is activated then ipv6 is suddenly natively supported.

 

[xiaofan]

Weird that their own ONR doesn't support/get assigned an ipv6 address yet when bridge mode is activated then ipv6 is suddenly natively supported.

For unbridged Singtel ONR, it may be a painful process to get native IPv6 to work. You can not do it by yourself -- you have to go through Singtel. And very few Singtel support staff know about this.

I was lucky myself -- you can check out this thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singtel-5gbps-ipv6.7053976/

My timeline to get Singtel IPv6:

1) Create the technical support case on 15-Aug-2024 with the front end technical support staff.
2) Finally got the update on 31-Aug-2024 from the front end technical support staff that Singtel would send a technical staff to visit me on Tuesday 3-Sept-2024.
3) Singtel staff visited me on the afternoon of 3-Sept-2024 and he managed to get the backend staff to enable native IPv6 on my account.

The two staff are all pretty good in this case.

Previously I was using Singtel ONT (Singtel 1Gbps plan), and I could get native IPv6 to work without the need to get helps from Singtel. In fact I found out Singtel native IPv6 working (probably one of the first in this forum) accidentally in Nov 2023.

 

[xiaofan]

My own experiences with ZTE F8648P ONR -- with the 10Gbe LAN5 port bridged.

1) The router connected to the bridged ONR 10G LAN ports --> internet is working, native IPv6 is working.

2) The unbridged ONR ports (quad 1Gbe ports, LAN1/2/3/4) no longer have Internet access. This is different from last time. This may be specific to Singtel 5Gbps/10Gbps plan users using ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR.

3) I can still bridge one more 1G port and that does work. Tested with LAN 2 and Asus RT-AX86U and it was working fine. But no native IPv6 --> I can only configure Singtel 6rd to get IPv6.

 

[xiaofan]

It is better not to bridge three ONR LAN ports --> you may exceed 4 IPv4 addresses limit. I am not so sure if the limit is still there or not but it is better not to take risks.

There are two constraints by the 4 IPv4 addresses limit.
1) At most you can have four IPv4 addresses at the same time for single Fibre Internet subscription.
2) Even if you use only single router, you can not keep changing to different routers (with MAC address change) more than 3 times, within 24 hours period.

To play safe, it is better to do the following.
1) It is better that you only have two (or at most three) IPv4 addresses at the same time for single Fibre Internet subscription.
2) Even if you use only single router, better not to change the router (with MAC address change) more than 2 times, within 24 hours period.

 

[xiaofan]

My own experiences with ZTE F8648P ONR -- with the 10Gbe LAN5 port bridged.

1) The router connected to the bridged ONR 10G LAN ports --> internet is working, native IPv6 is working.

2) The unbridged ONR ports (quad 1Gbe ports, LAN1/2/3/4) no longer have Internet access. This is different from last time. This may be specific to Singtel 5Gbps/10Gbps plan users using ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR.

3) I can still bridge one more 1G port and that does work. Tested with LAN 2 and Asus RT-AX86U and it was working fine. But no native IPv6 --> I can only configure Singtel 6rd to get IPv6.

Decided to take a bit of risk and go with #3.

1) Singtel ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR LAN5 10Gbe port bridged --> Virtual OpenWRT router (can change to pfSense) running under Proxmox PVE, using an Intel N100 mini PC (dual SFP+ ports and dual 2.5G ports, but one 2.5G port does not seem to work now) + Asus TUF-BE6500 (or ZTE BE7200 Pro+). One network, one public IPv4 address, native IPv6 (/56 prefix delegation but seems to have issues to delegate to sub-routers)

2) Singtel ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR LAN2 1Gbe port bridged --> Asus RT-AX86U router, another network, another public IPv4 address, no native IPv6 but using Singtel 6rd IPv6.

This is quite similar compared to my last time setup with Singtel ONT plus a VLAN capable switch to split home networks into two, one using virtual OpenWRT (or pfSense) on Intel N100 mini PC (quad 2.5G ports) and the other one using Asus RT-AX86U. The only thing better last time was that I could get native IPv6 to work with both networks.

Anyway, I am pretty happy with the current setup --> I can play with the Intel N100 mini PC side and then my family members can continue using the RT-AX86U network. I am stil figuring out the differences in terms of native IPv6 on the first network.

 

[vodcast]

Hello, I think i managed to bridge my lan port 5, I am wondering how do I access the ONR again? Cause i tried 192.168.1.254 but it doesnt work anymore.

 

[xiaofan]

Hello, I think i managed to bridge my lan port 5, I am wondering how do I access the ONR again? Cause i tried 192.168.1.254 but it doesnt work anymore.

Connect your laptop to one of the unbridged LAN ports (LAN 1/2/3/4 1Gbe ports) --> you can access the ONR by going to 192.168.1.254.

 

[vodcast]

Connect your laptop to one of the unbridged LAN ports (LAN 1/2/3/4 1Gbe ports) --> you can access the ONR by going to 192.168.1.254.

thanks! just curious, is there any benefits to releasing the ip as mentioned by Stanley to obtain ipv6 address?

 

[xiaofan]

thanks! just curious, is there any benefits to releasing the ip as mentioned by Stanley to obtain ipv6 address?

You can try, I do not think so.

 

[poland_ball]

Decided to take a bit of risk and go with #3.

1) Singtel ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR LAN5 10Gbe port bridged --> Virtual OpenWRT router (can change to pfSense) running under Proxmox PVE, using an Intel N100 mini PC (dual SFP+ ports and dual 2.5G ports, but one 2.5G port does not seem to work now) + Asus TUF-BE6500 (or ZTE BE7200 Pro+). One network, one public IPv4 address, native IPv6 (/56 prefix delegation but seems to have issues to delegate to sub-routers)

2) Singtel ZTE F8648P XGS-PON ONR LAN2 1Gbe port bridged --> Asus RT-AX86U router, another network, another public IPv4 address, no native IPv6 but using Singtel 6rd IPv6.

This is quite similar compared to my last time setup with Singtel ONT plus a VLAN capable switch to split home networks into two, one using virtual OpenWRT (or pfSense) on Intel N100 mini PC (quad 2.5G ports) and the other one using Asus RT-AX86U. The only thing better last time was that I could get native IPv6 to work with both networks.

Anyway, I am pretty happy with the current setup --> I can play with the Intel N100 mini PC side and then my family members can continue using the RT-AX86U network. I am stil figuring out the differences in terms of native IPv6 on the first network.

What's the use case for having so many separate connections? The bandwidth is still shared among these and there is no redundancy since it all still goes through the same fibre connection right?

Also sounds like singtel would have to use many more of its allocated ipv4 addresses for no added benefit.

 

[xiaofan]

What's the use case for having so many separate connections? The bandwidth is still shared among these and there is no redundancy since it all still goes through the same fibre connection right?

Also sounds like singtel would have to use many more of its allocated ipv4 addresses for no added benefit.

It all depends on your use cases. Most of the users do not need to go with this kind of settings.

It is very specicic to my use cases --> I like to play with the network stuff.

I can play with the Intel N100 mini PC side and then my family members can continue using the RT-AX86U network.

This was one of the niche use cases last time when ISPs offer dual 1Gbps plans (now only Starhub has it). One for the high usage users and the other network for the other family members. Or one network for tenants and the other network for the owner family.

 

[poland_ball]

It all depends on your use cases. Most of the users do not need to go with this kind of settings.

It is very specicic to my use cases --> I like to play with the network stuff.

I can play with the Intel N100 mini PC side and then my family members can continue using the RT-AX86U network.

I'm just wondering why singtel allows one user to get so many ipv4 addresses despite the global shortage. Anyway, not dissing your use case, if it allows you to do so then more power to you.

Hope more users can report in with their bridging success (or failure) stories

 

[xiaofan]

I'm just wondering why singtel allows one user to get so many ipv4 addresses despite the global shortage. Anyway, not dissing your use case, if it allows you to do so then more power to you.

Hope more users can report in with their bridging success (or failure) stories

I understand your point.

On the other hand, Singtel has always allowed such loopholes. Please refer to the following thread (first post was in Dec 2017).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/working-singtel-vlan-settings-with-tplink-sg108e.5746952/

In fact this is one of the main reasons why I stay with Singtel for so long (the other main reason is stability).

You can also go to the WC thread to see that quite some Singtel/WC 2Gbps users bridge the Singtel/WC ONR to remove the limitations of the GPON ONR --> they will have two public IPv4 addresses as well in that case.

BTW, there is no IPv4 addresses shortage for Singtel (also Starhub) in reality. You can see Singtel does not really want to actively deploy native IPv6 -- you have to request through Singtel and it is very difficult to get native IPv6 for Singtel ONR users.

Reference -- Singtel IPv6 for ONR users.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singtel-5gbps-ipv6.7053976/

 

[poland_ball]

I understand your point.

On the other hand, Singtel has always allowed such loopholes. Please refer to the following thread (first post was in Dec 2017).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/working-singtel-vlan-settings-with-tplink-sg108e.5746952/

In fact this is one of the main reasons why I stay with Singtel for so long (the other main reason is stability).

You can also go to the WC thread to see that quite some Singtel/WC 2Gbps users bridge the Singtel/WC ONR to remove the limitations of the GPON ONR --> they will have two public IPv4 addresses as well in that case.

BTW, there is no IPv4 addresses shortage for Singtel (also Starhub) in reality. You can see Singtel does not really want to actively deploy native IPv6 -- you have to request through Singtel and it is very difficult to get native IPv6 for Singtel ONR users.

Reference -- Singtel IPv6 for ONR users.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singtel-5gbps-ipv6.7053976/

Hmm then if I bridge port 5, can I connect their provided AP (the arcadyan nonsense) to another unbridged port and still get internet access since the ONR itself is also assigned another IPV4 address? Theoretically it sounds like it should work